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[hostingasia]

Dell has just released it's new 64Bits Xeon Poweredge Servers

Beside 64Bits Xeon CPU, DDR2 Memory

Improvement for PE2850 includes 6 drives instead of 5 in PE2650

However, PE1850 is going backward, there are only 2 drives instead of 3, no more RAID, the reason from my Dell rep. is the 1u case cannot handle the heat from the new configuration. (What?)

Any comment?

[Walter]

I am curious about the new 64bit Xeons too and I like the fact that Intel now uses AMD technology

[racksense]

the reason from my Dell rep. is the 1u case cannot handle the heat from the new configuration. (What?)

This is only going to get worse, to the point that 1U may not be viable?

Compare, the production process gets smaller the watts increases, over 100 watts for Prescott.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200...istory_big.gif

[cwl@apaqdigital]

Originally posted by Paul-Xensia
the reason from my Dell rep. is the 1u case cannot handle the heat from the new configuration. (What?)

well, because the new 800fsb Xeon Nocona (1M L2) is basically based on Prescott which produces 30% more heat than equivalently clocked Northwood on which the Prestonia Xeon is based.

the latest Prescott 3.4E output a whopping 115watt which may not be 'survivable' in 1U even with super-duper passively cooled by copper heatsink. I guess that what dell rep was referring to....

do we really want to put 'water-cool' in 1U?!

[cwl@apaqdigital]

Originally posted by Walter
I am curious about the new 64bit Xeons too and I like the fact that Intel now uses AMD technology

64-Bit Battle : Intel’s Xeon 3.4 GHz vs. AMD’s Opteron 250

pay attention to Apache web server performance benchmarks which speak by themselves.

[hostingasia]

Dell rep also confirmed there won't be an AMD poweredge.

My god...no more raid 5 on 1u, how can Dell (no we should blame Intel) allow this.

[Walter]

Originally posted by cwl@apaqdigital
pay attention to Apache web server performance benchmarks which speak by themselves.

Pretty impressive
And if you count in the clocking at 2.4 Ghz vs 3.4 Ghz...

[cwl@apaqdigital]

Originally posted by Walter
Pretty impressive
And if you count in the clocking at 2.4 Ghz vs 3.4 Ghz...

even the 2.0G OP246 beats Xeon 3.4G by 30% and costs only 30% as well...

[Walter]

It's a shame that there are not many places offering those beasts...

[hostingasia]

So who's offering 1u or 2u Dual Opteron?
I see HP, IBM, and who else?

[nopzor]

Originally posted by hostingasia
So who's offering 1u or 2u Dual Opteron?
I see HP, IBM, and who else?

Of the large vendors, it's pretty much HP, IBM and Sun.

VOXROX uses the HP Proliant DL145 series on our Opteron line of servers, and customers have been extremely pleased with the performance/reliability of this model.

We are currently evaluating the IBM xSeries e325 also, and will likely be offering this model soon. It looks to be a better server than the DL145. As usual, IBMs engineering runs circles around Dell and HP, and with the e325, it doesn't come at a significant cost premium.

Sun's pricing is astronomical, and their lead times leave much to be desired.

There are also a bunch of smaller vendors offering Opteron based servers. Dell isn't, and has no plans to do so despite high customer demand.

Up to recently, HP and Dell (not so much IBM and Sun) have had extremely strong allegiance to Intel. Both of these vendors have received extremely high discounts from Intel especially on their Xeon line of processors. HP offering an Opteron product was definitely interesting, even though they publically claim that it is simply a stop gap solution to Itanium.

It looks like AMD really has a winner with their Opteron. It blows away the Xeon in performance, and while the newer Xeons do have the 64bit extensions, most hosts (are there any?) are not yet using these processors. Intel EMT64 is really AMD64; looks like AMD has the tech lead on that. Itanium was too little too late (or early, depending on how you want to look at things).

[WCHost]

hostingasia, since you are in Hong Kong....I guess is time for you to change from those IBM, HP companies~

Try use entinux.com, hong kong based company and reputated with AMD server~
=)

[hostingasia]

WC,

Thanks. I knew who entinux is and had several conversation with David Chang, their sr. technical sales manager. You can't miss them, they placed the ad on back of SingTao Computer Mag for almost 4 months.

However their price is actually higher than vendor based, don't believe me? Do a calculation yourself will reveal the truth. Besides, the 2u case is really OEM, you can get and build the same configuration yourself with 1/5 less. Their line is very similar to Pogo Linux http://www.pogolinux.com/ in US and Mainland, and David said they have no relationship with Pogo though. Besides, the service and support will never reach the leave Dell, HP nor IBM.

http://www.entinux.com/products/servers seemed they still do not have the 1u version for Opteron. Pogo has 1u though.

But we like their Titan TN310 much and it's very good for NAS.

At the end, we will still choose PE2850 as our main line but put some IBM eServer 325 or HP DL145 if clients ask for them. Amazing enough, we already have client inquiry about PE2850, seemed most of them are still Intel biased. It's all about marketing.

Btw, we are going to the Xeon EM64T road show in Island Shangri-La next week and hopefully ask them some questions about their rival Opteron's performance against Xeon EM64T.

[DDT]

What about http://www.swt.com
Any comments?

[hostingasia]

Oh...if you need more, there are
http://www.qsol.com/
http://www.verari.com/servers.asp
and many more, the problem is do you really trust those? Consider the price is probably only 10% cheaper than vendor and the support may not be there when you need them.