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[akashik]

Just heard on the news here (5:30pm EST Australia).

My condolences to the US people here... You got another Bush

Greg Moore

[BC]

Bwahahahahahha..... Nader did enough damage to give Bush the win.

And I believe our Chicken has just scraped in to qualify for the 5% federal funding

You go *cluck cluck* boy!

[JayC]

Originally posted by BC
Bwahahahahahha..... Nader did enough damage to give Bush the win.

Personally, I don't buy that at all, and I don't expect to hear much from Democratic insiders blaming it on Nader. It's still early, but most of the state-by-state results I've seen show Nader drawing less than was expected; generally 2-3%. Much of that, I think, is because of the Gore-supporter party line that "a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush." I suspect many people who said they would and thought they would vote for Nader changed their minds while standing in the booth.

Even at that, I really believe that a significant percentage of the people who voted for Nader were so disaffected with the two major party candidates that if there'd been no Nader candidacy they wouldn't have voted at all. It's not the case that if in a particular state 5% voted for Nader you could just give that 5% to Gore if Nader hadn't been there. More likely you'd give Gore 2%, Bush two tenths of a percent and the rest would have just skipped the presidential line entirely or just stayed home. Or written in Chicken.

Gore lost partly because of personality, or lack thereof. Partly because of disappointing performance in the last two debates. Partly because of questionable late-campaign decisions about allocation of resources and priorities. Partly because of anti-Clinton backlash. Ralph Nader injected a little excitement and interest into the race, but in terms of shifting electoral votes I don't think he made any difference at all.

--
JayC
reformed political operative


[Edited by JayC on 11-08-2000 at 02:57 AM]

[jonelin]

libertarian in the presidential election. i live in cali and knew the state would go to gore.

and i don't need any condolenses. i like the idea of keeping a part of my social security money to privately invest. i like the end of the executive branch circumventing the legislature by brining lawsuits against private companies in order to extort them into doing things they couldn't legislate.

i'm not saying bush is the choice for me. but i'd rather have him then gore/lieberman/tipper any day.

[JayC]

Originally posted by JayC
Ralph Nader injected a little excitement and interest into the race, but in terms of shifting electoral votes I don't think he made any difference at all.

Hmm... just looked at the current tally for the key swing state of Florida. OK, if Nader made a difference anywhere, maybe there. He only carried 95,000 votes, but the current difference between Gore and Bush is about 10,000.

But it's like blaming the loss of a football game on the outcome of one particular play. Coming out of the Democratic convention, Gore was in control. Missteps and poor debate performance are where the game was thrown; why it was close enough that it came down at 3 am eastern to which column Florida would end up in.

[MSW]

Actually, it is now down to 1200 votes and Florida is now too close to call. Bush has not won anything yet.

Looks like a recount and may be a few days to find out.

[DynastyHost]

It is down to only 791 votes difference (Bush)

[cbaker17]

I went for Bush my gf went for Gore, Ive been heckling her non stop about how bush has won, no its a recount, if it comes out that Gore wins where do you all suggest I hide??

[akashik]

Originally posted by cbaker17
I went for Bush my gf went for Gore, Ive been heckling her non stop about how bush has won, no its a recount, if it comes out that Gore wins where do you all suggest I hide??

hehe, Australia is nice this time of year and it's close to as far as geographically possible from the USA.

Greg Moore

[Nam]

I was so sad yesterday knowing that Gore's lost, but later on things had changed that gave me the inspiration to sleep . The CNN this morning says that there has been a confusion in a voting card that made people voted for Green party but they actually voted for Gore (this number was about 3000 people, mostly seniors). Add up those number, FL surely in Gore's hand.

There will be another issue, popular nation vote might be considered in this case, which Gore has lead over Bush about one hundred thoundsand. Eventhough eletoral vote is more likely to be accepted.

Whatever happens, there will be a small chance for Gore, but I still believe on him. Bush far more worse than Gore. I don't understand why people believe in "fresh start" that he's claimed. Don't you all satisfy for the good economy in the last 8 years? That's called: "The grass is always greener in neighbor" but then when you have that grass, you relized they are ever worse. I hope people who vote for Bush is not because they've seen so many advertising, which Republican has much more money than Democrat in that matter, but because of their truly thought.

Good luck Gore, in case you won't get elected, I still admire you always. Don't worry, that Bush will be just like his father.

[akashik]

Don't you all satisfy for the good economy in the last 8 years?

*lol* they ought to be! The way the US dollar has been steam-rolling the rest of the world this past year (Aussie, and Euro etc). New Zealand's dollar went below (US)40c a while ago is still heading south. I'm just rather thankful most of my work is paid in US dollars

That's called: "The grass is always greener in neighbor"

Got a bit of a chuckle out of that. Not to be a smart-ass though Nam. I just love asian/english translations when they don't quite mesh. Kind of like "Happy, smiley, good time boy"

Greg Moore

[Duster]

Good for you, jonelin. I too voted libertarian, as I have for many years. Nothing much chnages if you vote for a Republicrat.

Any time an independent candidate draws wnough coverage to be even mentioned, one or both parties claim that a vote for that candidate is a vote for their primary opponent. It's just another way to discourage people from expanding their thinking and choosing an alternative to the two largest political parties.

The idea of that is terrifying to the Republicrats. They would lose their hold on the American political system and we would start seeing some real change on the national level. However, it will take enough Americans to vote their conscience and think differently instead of choosing the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately, that's not an easy thing to achieve. When you consider how much many of our founding fathers suffered to win us our liberties, it seems almost criminal for us to throw them away and contribute to the erosion of our civil liberties by limiting our choices.

[Nam]

Greg, don't make stupid comment about my English, everybody here knows me damn well (you did understand, didn't you?). If it's because of your different point of view on political issue, then just say it rather then mocking at no American's spelling/grammar mistake. Yet if I wasn't sure, I should not have said it, but I knew nobody cared about my damn English here. Oh, but I was wrong about some racists here, haha .

[Edited by Nam on 11-08-2000 at 10:55 AM]

[-Edward-]

I sat up all night until 8am in the morning watching the elections in the USA. I had my fingers crossed for Bush as theres something about him i like. Well done Bush.

[akashik]

Originally posted by Nam
Greg, don't make stupid comment about my English, everybody here knows me damn well (you did understand, didn't you?).

Yup, understood perfectly. Also understood you to have a sense of humor too.. Notice the faces all over my post?

As for being racist I'll have to remember to mention it to my 1/2 Thai, 1/4 white, 1/4 cherokee fiance, and my part Thai, English, Irish, Scottish, Cherokee, German daughter in the morning.

Greg Moore