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    My suggestion is simple, when a moderator sends a warning they must include their WHT name.

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    Why? If you have an issue with a warning, you open a helpdesk ticket, not contact the mod directly. I am sure the mod that gives you the warning is recorded in the backend.
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    Originally posted by badbaker.com
    Why? If you have an issue with a warning, you open a helpdesk ticket, not contact the mod directly. I am sure the mod that gives you the warning is recorded in the backend.
    Correct, if they have an issue with it, contact the helpdesk and admin will check it out and remove if it was unwarranted
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    I'd still like to know who is warning me personally. Some mods hold grudges so I'd like to see who is warning me and see if it is one person so I can point this out to someone else.

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    Originally posted by dk2
    I'd still like to know who is warning me personally. Some mods hold grudges so I'd like to see who is warning me and see if it is one person so I can point this out to someone else.
    ...and this is the reason why it is not done IMHO. This is not a democratic forum

    Some mods hold grudges.... hope you can back that up with facts...

    Mate, wear it, open a helpdesk ticket if you must, but most of all move on. Warning points will fade in time.....
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    Originally posted by badbaker.com
    ...and this is the reason why it is not done IMHO. This is not a democratic forum
    Honestly I hate comments like this "INET is allowed to do whatever they want". Remember this when your being warned for some reason or they ban you, just remember your words.

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    I will, thanks for the advice...

    Isn't a warning like getting caught by the police, but rather than fining you they give you a warning. I would take the warning any day....

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    "INET is allowed to do whatever they want".
    It is their e-Property. Just like GMail and everything else, if you don't like it, don't use it.
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    That dosen't make it right....where do you come up with this. It is the responsibility of any online company to listen to their consumers. If gmail crapped over its consumers there wouldn't be a gmail.

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    I've gotten three warnings, from three different mods, all of them were mistakes . They're pretty good about fixing mistakes when they make them, nothing to worry about.

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    Yes.... this sounds totally reasonable .. accountability!

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    Mods are recorded on the backend. If someone is holding a grudge, SWR will lay thw smackdown with his old wrinkled hand.
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    I doubt that, he doesn't seem to be activate at all.

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    Originally posted by nonamedesert
    I doubt that, he doesn't seem to be activate at all.
    Oh he will be.... He will be....
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    Originally posted by Sheps
    Mods are recorded on the backend. If someone is holding a grudge, SWR will lay thw smackdown with his old wrinkled hand.
    Who watches the watcher? Who oversees the overseer? No, it being recorded on the backend isn't good enough. Public accountability is necessary to ensure fair and equal treatment.

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    It's interesting to note that most people who want this 'accountability' is someone who is/has been banned/warned. Bitter much?

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    Originally posted by westcan
    It's interesting to note that most people who wants this 'accountability' is someone who is/has been banned/warned. Bitter much?
    Agenda, agenda, agenda...

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    Originally posted by LP-Trel
    Who watches the watcher? Who oversees the overseer? No, it being recorded on the backend isn't good enough. Public accountability is necessary to ensure fair and equal treatment.
    Not to be rude here, but I'm not sure how it is your business how the backend of WHT is run. No one is locking you into visiting a forum where you are uncomfortable or think there's some conspiracy going on to ensure certain members are mistreated.
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    Originally posted by LP-Trel
    Who watches the watcher? Who oversees the overseer? No, it being recorded on the backend isn't good enough. Public accountability is necessary to ensure fair and equal treatment.
    This may be true in a community owned and operated forum. But WHT is owned by iNET! This means they can do what they want to do - if they wanted to !

    Life isn't fair or equal, so lets not waste time quibbling over unimportant matters...

    BTW Good job iNET for this great WHT medium, and thanks to the mods that offer their time for free to moderate this board. Without them (iNET and mods) WHT as we know it would be completely different.
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    If you really think something is being done unfair, contact a Liason, Guide, etc.

    If their appears to be an issue, we'll let iNet know.

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    Originally posted by badbaker.com
    I will, thanks for the advice...

    Isn't a warning like getting caught by the police, but rather than fining you they give you a warning. I would take the warning any day....

    /out - no more replies from me.
    Well actually NO it isn't like getting a warning from Police. If you get a warning from police you DON"T loose points. If you are fined by the police then you loose points, once you loose enough points you loose your licence. With WHT when you get warned you loose points, loose enough points and you get banned.

    Getting warned by WHT is equivelent to being fined by the police.
    I do hope I explained that so everybody can grasp the difference.

    Yes I too would take the warning any day however it basically isn't a warning it is a fine with penalties inposed. Why can't WHT give warning on some occasions and if the member has erred by accident why can't a simple appology be acceptable. Even with police there is occasions were warnings and appologies are acceptable unless of course you live in a dictatorship.

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    Originally posted by TheDoctor
    Why can't WHT give warning on some occasions and if the member has erred by accident why can't a simple appology be acceptable. Even with police there is occasions were warnings and appologies are acceptable unless of course you live in a dictatorship.
    It happens. The way the warning system is set up here you have to give at least one point for at least one day (you can't send a warning that gives zero points), but some of us do use that as a "gentle warning" where we think it's appropriate. It has the same effect as no points at all, since it only lasts a day anyway.

    There's also the possibility of using email or PM, but the advantage of using the warning system to do it is that it creates a record that the user was warned for that issue, in case it comes up again.

    By the way, even in a dictatorship the police can let you off with just a warning... but I suppose that comment was just a way to add a little drama.
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    Originally posted by JayC
    By the way, even in a dictatorship the police can let you off with just a warning... but I suppose that comment was just a way to add a little drama.
    I just can't help myself, it is part of my sales training, Dale Carnegie .... Sell the sizzle Not the Steak. .. yes I am aware that it wasn't Carnegie that wrote that line but you get my drift and of course my Paranoia ... To Go unnoticed .. Oh The Shame.

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    It's interesting to note that most people who wants this 'accountability' is someone who is/has been banned/warned. Bitter much?
    Not really, I think this would be a good idea - however I've never been banned, nor received a warning or anything like that. Kinda put out your fire haven't I?

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this topic overdiscussed?

    There were suggestions regarding this is issue in the past and and present...

    I agree to the fact that changes have to be made, but I think they remain to the latitude of the moderators and perhaps iNet staff.

    As you might have seen, Dennis already started a thread and maybe that will be the best place to take our suggestions and feedback.
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    Originally posted by Lorand M
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this topic overdiscussed?

    There were suggestions regarding this is issue in the past and and present...

    I agree to the fact that changes have to be made, but I think they remain to the latitude of the moderators and perhaps iNet staff.

    As you might have seen, Dennis already started a thread and maybe that will be the best place to take our suggestions and feedback.
    Thank you very much for your input. It is really helpful when people feel the need to post their opion and a fellow member tells them that the subject has been overdiscussed .. then again if a subject keep coming up then perhaps it is time to look closer.

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    Doc, I think that's exactly what happened, otherwise I wouldn't seen any reason for SWR to open a thread about changes. Ergo, they really did look closer
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    Originally posted by Lorand M
    Doc, I think that's exactly what happened, otherwise I wouldn't seen any reason for SWR to open a thread about changes. Ergo, they really did look closer
    Lorand M if your talking about the thread at the top of thid forum by SWR it actually isn't a thread it is a closed notice.

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    Yes, but as you might have noticed, it says it will be "populated" with the other "WHT changes threads"
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    show which mod has warned you

    Hello,
    I would like to know if it is possible to implement a system where when a moderator gives you warning points, he must enter a reason/explination, and his nick is there so we can see who it was.

    I have the feeling that some mods are too quick to give warning points and generally have a bad effect on the community.
    thanks

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    In my stupidiity, I was unable to find this thread so I had made my own. BigBison set me on the right track.

    I also think this is necessary. We should get to see who warned us and for what reason (i.e. an explination). What would be a good reason NOT to do it? Why would you not want the user to know reason of warning/ban and who did it? I think it is only fair.

    It is not always easy for the admins to recognize patterns among a large number of bannings/warnings.

    The reason I have found this to be crucial is that quite often, some members that view themselves as some sort of self appointed police enter threads and try to enforce rules instead of merely contacting a moderator. This results in unneccessary flamwars, thread closing, and warnings/bans.

    iNET or whoever runs this forum should be happy to disclose this information. This is a community, it is not really owned by anyone. Since most of the mods come from the community, the posts/contributions come from the community, at least some degree of freedom of information should be practiced. The idea that if you dont like it leave it is ridiculous. You try to contribute/change something that you have invested time in, you find mostly valuable, and something worth improving.

    I dont think accountability is ever a bad thing. Do you?

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    Originally posted by cord

    I dont think accountability is ever a bad thing. Do you?
    I guess it depends with which side of the fence you sit on

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    cord,

    Feedback and concern is always a good thing. However, if you read this entire thread, you will see that it's been discussed pretty extensively already. How the system works. Why the system works. Etc.

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    I did read through the whole thread Gen-T

    I think the explination is faulty. First off, just because you say it works or people say it works doesnt mean it does work. It may be the case that the system works almost all of the time, but if the system is more open, there is less of a likelihood of failure, furthermore, the system will become somewhat self-healing. Openness in this area follows the same philosophies that are the foundation in some open-source communities (such as the gpl, etc...) whereby the community can find problems quicker, and then can solve it.

    To be honest, if it were me, I would not even need discussion to implement this since it seems like a no brainer to me. What is bad about it Gen-T?

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    As I said, the information is there. Many people have spoken about it. That doesn't mean that you will like it, or agree with it. No matter what rule/system is in place, it will not be perfect, nor will everybody like it.

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    I didnt say it would be perfect. I just wanted to make my opinion known, and argue for adding this feature. I think it will make wht better, not perfect.
    So, if at some point, the people that make these decisions come accross my posts, they will hopefully see that there arent any downsides to the approach that I am advertising.

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    Originally posted by cord
    ....there arent any downsides to the approach that I am advertising.
    Not true. There are downsides to the approach you are advertising, and they have been talked about in this very thread. I assumed you saw them, since you said you read the thread. There are downsides to every rule and system for that matter, and that's where choosing the best overall approach comes in, and finding the right balance. Which by the way, WHT is very successful at, especially for a forum this size.

    Your feedback is important and everybody appreciates it I'm sure. However, there is no such thing as an approach or system that doesn't have any downsides, so keep that in mind. That's all I'm saying.

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    One thing this prevents is "this mod sucks" threads. When we had just a few mods and we sent a warning to someone, some would start a mod bashing thread. Some of them got quite ugly before they were tossed (although some are also still visible). . Now that we have many more, I can see a big surge of threads where little Johnny or little Janey didn't like the warning they received from a particular mod if they were identified in the warning.

    Anyone having a problem with the warning now, can contact the helpdesk (and many do), if they don't understand why they received a warning. Admin will investigate to be sure it was warranted, if it was "borderline", we may remove the warning.
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