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    A host with at least 4TB traffic a month

    I'm running a website (picserver.org) and soon, after I'm finished studying, I will have to move this website to another host.

    PicServer (PS) is using a lot of bandwidth (about 4 TB a month). I've searched Web Hosting Offers and the forum, but I cant find any providers which can offer this amount of bandwidth.

    If some one knows where I can search, please tell me.




    Thank you for any help.


    PS: Sorry for 'requesting'

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    Your not going to find a plan like that. That is totally custom, 100% all the way. Your best bet is to contact hosting companies and ask them for a price quote on your exact needs.

    Or if they offer a custom hosting section, you could do it yourself.

    You can also use the HostQuote here at WHT.

    I should forwarn you though, that is ALOT of bandwidth, and some hosts may request you to use a dedicated server, others will probably allow shared hosting, but either way, the price is going to be expensive.

    General rule of thumb

    $0.80 - $1.20 = 1 GB of Bandwidth per month

    so do the math.

    Off the top of my head, your looking around $1500 - $2000 a month, depending on whether you go shared or dedicated.

    IMHO, anything cheaper then that, and it will end up biting you in the butt. Though because you would be such a large client, I am certain some hosting companies may offer a bit of a discount.

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    you may have too get two servers imo.
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    I can only hope no host here is foolish enough to offer a shared hosting plan for such a requirement!

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    Originally posted by Voxtreme - Peter
    I can only hope no host here is foolish enough to offer a shared hosting plan for such a requirement!
    Well, I would agree with your comment. But hey, you never know, a scam setup, an 18 year old who thinks he could offer, and so forth. I am certain there woul be someone foolish enough to.

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    4,000 gigs a month would average out to 12.8 MBPS
    You would need atleast a 20 meabit pipe to run a site of that nature along with multiple serious machines.

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    Your website also says you have 50 GB of files (and, I assume, growing).

    Sorry, ddofborg, but this is one massive site. Not only will you not find web hosting to meet your needs, but off-the-shelf dedicated could be difficult, as well. That $2000/month figure sounds about right. You should move this discussion to the dedicated forum, where they can recommend more appropriate solutions.
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    Well, if some one knows where I can search for a host this big, let me know.


    Thanks everyone!


    Edit: I've found managed.com which is quite cheap!
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    Originally posted by ddofborg
    Well, if some one knows where I can search for a host this big, let me know.


    Thanks everyone!
    As I stated in my above post, no one probably knows of a host, because hosts more then likely do not advertise hosting packages this large, as it is a rare case that a customer will need something this large.

    You are better off going around to hosts, and contacting their sales department with an exact list of what you will need.

    If their sales departments are smart enough, they will figure out the perfect solution to your needs.

    I would be guess that shared hosting will not work, but I guess that depends on what your server resources are, if they are huge, which from the sounds of it, they are, then you will have to go dedicated server, probably even multiple dedicated servers.

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    get 4 80$ servers :-P
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    Originally posted by chaud
    get 4 80$ servers :-P
    And what? Have his entire website go to hell? If I were him, and that was my website, and I had put as much work into as I would imagine he has. I'd be paying top dollar pretty fast to have my website taken care of properly.

    not to mention, 4 x $80 = $320 for 4 TeraBytes of Bandwidth, that's a little low IMHO.

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    you're looking at around 40 dollars per megabit and say roughly 20 mbit to allow for some growth. Colo range be around 1200 a monthfor two servers. That is if you actually plan to pump this much transfer effectively. Now you could get a couple of tco servers from say the planet but thats still around 800 bucks.
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    look at serverbeach they offer 2000 GB per server and add two of them together and walla
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    4TB, wow. Do you really make money of your service?
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    Originally posted by Artashes
    4TB, wow. Do you really make money of your service?
    No, not yet... the service is 100% free.

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    Originally posted by ddofborg
    No, not yet... the service is 100% free.
    Wow...

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    100% FREE??? Dear God. Might I recommend if your going to offer the services for free, you should think about advertisement, check out places like fastclicks.com ( I think it's called that ), because if your using that much bandwidth, my guess would be your getting alot of visitors per month as well.

    And with an ad agency, visitors = $$$

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    wow, i really hope you have some way of financing that... and let us know how you did it

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    Agreed. If you ever need to make a request, use the host quote on top.

    Maybe someone can set you up with a custom plan on a dedicated server.
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    how much is your budget?
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    Originally posted by FHDave
    how much is your budget?
    That's a good questions actually.

    How Much Is Your Budget?

    If we knew that, perhaps someone would be able to point you in a good direction.

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    4TB bandwidth with no income....
    not a good idea...

    start a "premium" service on your site or something buddy, because soon that 4TB is gonna turn into well over 10TB...

    and then if you still have no income... i wish you all the good luck in the world, because you're gonna need it

    by the way, who're you hosting with right now??

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    Who is giving you 4TB for free? Give us the contact info please
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    Originally posted by FNAHOST
    Who is giving you 4TB for free? Give us the contact info please
    I am certain that no one is giving him 4 Terabytes bandwidth for free. What would even put that in your head?


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    I think he is at a university. When I am in the dorms, I do 500-600 gigs a month and I only pay a 50 dollar setup for the connection.

    Its one of the best parts about living in the dorms.

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    Originally posted by cord
    I think he is at a university. When I am in the dorms, I do 500-600 gigs a month and I only pay a 50 dollar setup for the connection.

    Its one of the best parts about living in the dorms.
    Yep, the address forwards to http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/

    Edit: You may want to look for someone who resells from GNAX. They usually offer a lot of bandwidth. http://www.tranxactglobal.com/dedicatedservers.php for example. Someone else will have to tell you if tranXact global is a good company or not. I am just listing them as an example, they offer 2TB per server.

    http://www.gnax.com/dedicatedservers.php are the rest of the GNAX resellers. Dixiesys is listed on there which is a well respected company around here, but I don't think they offer dedicated.
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    Originally posted by G2-Hosting
    I am certain that no one is giving him 4 Terabytes bandwidth for free. What would even put that in your head?

    That would be called silly sarcasm. You've heard of it, I hope?
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    Originally posted by FNAHOST
    That would be called silly sarcasm. You've heard of it, I hope?
    I know sarcasm, and that didnt sound like it. Plus sarcasm is usually followed by something like



    and stuff like that.

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    You might want to put some advertisements on your website, eg. google adsense - some other advertising to lower your costs.

    You could also contact some server providers on custom plans so as to see how they can help you out.
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    Originally posted by cord
    I think he is at a university. When I am in the dorms, I do 500-600 gigs a month and I only pay a 50 dollar setup for the connection.

    Its one of the best parts about living in the dorms.
    Can you actually host sites from your dorms?
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    Well, my transfer is not a website host. Generally you are not supposed to do this, but unless you are doing something illegal, they dont mind much. Oh, and the other caveat is that if you overload the switch that you are connected to so that others connecting to that switch are getting horrible performance, you start getting warnings that can result in connection being cut off.
    At my dorm, we have static IPs on the internet so anyone can connect easily.

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    Let me tell you more about PicServer.

    At the moment, PicServer has a image mirror system. What does it do? Well, there are about 10 computer all over the world, which share a part of the images which were uploaded to PicServer. Every time a client requests an image, PicServer MirrorManager chooses a mirror for that client and redirects that request to another computer. So right now, 10 computer share 4TB of bandwidth, which is about 400GB a month.

    Because I'm at the university at the moment, I can't place any advertisement on my web page. So, I can't put any ads at the moment, but I don't get so many hits on the page, about 7000-10000 each day.

    Right now PicServer is a donationware. I use those donation to finance my harddrive, UPS, network cards, etc.


    For people who have read the top news item on the web page; I want to ask users to pay for PicServer in the future. I want only to have enough money to pay for the server, I don't need to 'get payed' for it. I have about 50000 users right now and if a small part of those users will pay 1 euro (1.2 dollar) a month, maybe I'll be able to pay for the server somewhere.

    I don't ask for FREE bandwidth! But up till now I got almost all bandwidth for free.

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    Your idea sounds fine, but you need to give members an incentive to pay. Sure, some will donate out of good will, but an incentivised system would pay better IMO. Try giving them a larger diskspace allowance, or a free email address? Doesn't have to be anything too big.
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    Question Off-topic

    Offtopic: Out of interest, how do you stop people uploading illegal images (child porn, etc)? It's great having 50gb of users images, but if 40gb of those are illegal, I doubt the police would be too happy with you :-)

    Many thanks,
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    You also may wish to contact companies such as ISPs and such to see if you can work a deal with them. Since your project is currently not earning any profit from "sales", just donations, you may be able to get sponsored bandwidth from one of them in exchange for advertising of some sort. I know I've had this in the past, although my sponsor was the local school board.

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    Re: Off-topic

    Originally posted by Alan @ QCS
    Offtopic: Out of interest, how do you stop people uploading illegal images (child porn, etc)? It's great having 50gb of users images, but if 40gb of those are illegal, I doubt the police would be too happy with you
    I have some moderators and a disclaimer. If I get a request to remove an image, I do that.

    You also may wish to contact companies such as ISPs and such to see if you can work a deal with them. Since your project is currently not earning any profit from "sales", just donations, you may be able to get sponsored bandwidth from one of them in exchange for advertising of some sort. I know I've had this in the past, although my sponsor was the local school board.
    I did that for some local ISP, but they didn't what to help me with bandwidth sponsoring.

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    You can get 4Tb of bandwidth on dedicated server. But you should expect to pay for this

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    Originally posted by ddofborg
    No, not yet... the service is 100% free.
    Might be a time to rethink your business model. According to your poll (553 votes) 63% say they won't pay 1 euro/mth to keep picserver going.
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    Sorry for kicking this up, but did you found a host already? Maybe EV1Servers is an option? Would cost you about $400 dollar p/m with your mirroring technique!

    But why not make money of it?
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    Originally posted by Aussie Bob
    Might be a time to rethink your business model. According to your poll (553 votes) 63% say they won't pay 1 euro/mth to keep picserver going.
    This poll is not even one day old, and I have 50000 users (accounts). Let's say 5000 of those are active users. And let's say 15% will pay 1 euro/mth. So with 750 * 12, I would have 9000 euro to spend a year. 10 MBps unmeteren will cost me about 6000 euro a year. So if the poll is correct, I will be able to keep PS

    I don't need to make money from PS, keeping PS online is enough.

    Sorry for kicking this up, but did you found a host already? Maybe EV1Servers is an option? Would cost you about $400 dollar p/m with your mirroring technique!
    But where do I find mirrors? My mirrors are only temporal! If all my mirrors are gone, and I have to close PicServer what do I do with all the money people payed me?

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