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    Angry No smokers on the board!?

    Story: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...01/481616.html

    Here in Ontario, we've all just lost our right to smoke ANYWHERE! I can't even imagine going to a smoke free bar... I guess the "nons" will be pleased and I likely would be also, but for now, I'm none to impressed.

    Bowling without smoking... doesn't even seem fun anymore

    I don't know... I just personally think this ban might have been a little to harsh.

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    I wish they'd ban it in the UK, it's disgusting and selfish.

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    But here's where I am lost... why remove the smoking rooms, etc? I know nonsmokers constantly complain about it and I honestly do understand your point, but they should have left this up to bar owners. If they wanted their bar fully smoking, then that's their choice. You as a nonsmoker would then have to go somewhere else.

    Just seems like everyone is up in arms over some nonimportant issues.

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    Originally posted by Oxy
    I wish they'd ban it in the UK, it's disgusting and selfish.
    I wish for it too, because there's quite a large percentage of people living in the UK that smoke, quite annoying.
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    May I ask what about smoking annoys you?

    - While eating at a restaurant?
    - While walking down the road?
    - While drinking at a bar?
    - While at the casino?

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    They've had that in effect down here in Buffalo for some time now, I believe since January, Alot of the bars here now have added Patio Bars to their bars, and cover and heat them in the winter just to stay in business..
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    You can't even do that here though....

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    General Manager Keith MacVicar said the ban will hit his bar the hardest when other bars open their patios and smokers are drawn elsewhere
    "I came out because this is the last night. It's a very anti- social law. I'll stick to patios, but I don't know what I'll do in the winter," Brown said
    I think they still allow it in patio bars there as well... I don't see a link to the "Official" law though..
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    damn i dont smoke but thats just stupid!

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    Good find Tri. As far as I know though, you cannot smoke within a certain distance of many buildings.

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    What annoys me most about when people smoke is in a restaurant, I think it is disgusting for people to smoke when you're trying to eat.

    I'm not against people smoking totally, however there are times when I'd say it isn't a time you should smoke: such as when you are eating for one. (Very annoying when I'm in a restaurant.)

    I don't care about people smoking in bars though, nor in the street. I was good friends with a specialist lung surgeon, and he saw quite a lot of people who had never smoked in their lives - yet had lung cancer, and also had black patches on their lungs. Banning smoking is only a small step, however you also have to remove all other causes of smoke pollution to make the air safer and healthier to breath. (Cars, factories, etc. etc.)


    I don't see a point of banning smoking, if you're going to leave all the other causes there which are just as harmful. If the government were to remove all the other causes, then yes a ban on smoking would be good; however to only ban smoking is simply ridiculous. (For the record, I don't smoke)

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    I smoked for over 20 years to the detriment of my career and health. The best thing that could ever happen for the worlds health services is if smoking was banned full stop. Yes...of course us ex smokers are the worse

    Anyway...I have a small child of 3 years old and I hate to take her to eat out because of smokers.

    I really hope that this catches on like wild fire. I feel sorry for you smokers because I know what it is like to be addicted to the weed. Beleive me when I say that it is not impossible to quit. I really hope you give that some thought

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    Bowling without smoking... doesn't even seem fun anymore
    I hope you're not serious there... smoking can't be all of your fun, can it? Smoking in public places & most buildings, bars, etc... has been banned in NYC. Seems to be working well, isn't hurting business. I see no problem with the ban. Smoking can have some bad effects (new study out within the last week or so shows even more issues...), so I support this. Smokers can still smoke outside if they want, that's not illegal.

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    Smokers have funded the NHS for over 20 years

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    Originally posted by mainarea
    I hope you're not serious there... smoking can't be all of your fun, can it? Smoking in public places & most buildings, bars, etc... has been banned in NYC. Seems to be working well, isn't hurting business. I see no problem with the ban. Smoking can have some bad effects (new study out within the last week or so shows even more issues...), so I support this. Smokers can still smoke outside if they want, that's not illegal.

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    I don't think there should be legal prohibitions of it at all in countries where there is (supposedly) free trade. Every business does not have to be condensed into a one-size-fits-all box.

    This is the way it SHOULD (and WOULD work if allowed to):
    1. YOU OWN a business.
    2. YOU decide whether you will allow smoking on YOUR property or not.
    3. People will either come to your place of business and/or use your services or not - CUSTOMER chooses where to spend their money.
    4. YOUR choice will affect your business in a positive or negative way.
    5. YOU will keep the rules the same or change them, depending on how your rules affect your bank account.

    Why does the government need to get involved? If allowing smoking deters so many customers that you can't stay in business, you will change your rules. (Assuming you want to stay in business). If not, you won't.

    I'm a smoker and it doesn't bother me if a business does not allow smoking on their property. I can choose to go there or not. What I have a problem with is not being allowed a CHOICE to go somewhere that DOES allow it. If you are a non-smoker then why can't you make the same choices all by yourself? If a place allows smoking, then either go to that place or don't go to that place. Is someone holding a gun to your head saying you HAVE to eat at a particular restaurant or drink in a particular bar?

    If a free market would just be allowed to work, you would find that for practically anything you want to do (within reason - illegal activities excepted), you would find a business who agrees with your choice. You can choose to go to a restaurant that does not allow smoking, I could choose to go to one that does allow it. What is so bad about that?

    Some people are just peeved that someone is smoking somewhere, anywhere.

    Just one more little "food for thought" nugget: What happens when the health police start aiming for YOUR bad habit? If they can do it to smokers, then they can do it to anything that is "bad for you". Think about it. Lots of people don't like being around drunks, some drunks can be violent (someone could get HURT!) and are very disruptive to my enjoyment of my evening out. Maybe drinking should not be allowed anywhere either because some people don't like it and drinking is bad for your liver. Oh yeah, and then there's all that food with too many carbs or too much fat, maybe no business should be allowed to serve that either.... Smokers are just the first big target. You may be next. Enjoy.

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    Originally posted by mainarea
    Smokers can still smoke outside if they want, that's not illegal.
    Not yet anyway, but if the overzealous anti-smoking league have their way then it will be.

    While I no longer smoke I do not have a problem with those that do so, I don't support outright smoking bans when it includes provisions to even make dedicated smoking rooms illegal.

    The second hand smoke issue has been overblown, the science behind many of the claims does not stand up. There are sources online that will debunk the claims, fact is the first studies showed only a very slight increase in health problems with those exposed to second hand smoke, like we're talking very small numbers here.

    Penn & Teller's BS show on Showtime had an episode dedicated to this last season. They used the EPA studies to debunk the claims as well.
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    YES,

    Here in New york,smoking has been outlawed in public places since January.....

    It has hurt alot of business's and peeps are not happy with it......

    Just another way of losing our right$ i think........

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    Originally posted by worldUK
    Smokers have funded the NHS for over 20 years
    actually they've been draining it's resources for as long as i can remember. cancer treatments are not cheap.

    however the amount of duty the government makes for itself is quite obscene.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/ba...king/86599.stm
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    The UK Government should raise £8.9bn from tobacco duty in 1998/99.


    so that more than pays for the cost of treatments

    Smoking costs the NHS between £1.4bn and £1.7bn a year, according to the most recent research


    quoted from your article

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    well it should. but it doesn't. ever hear of the NHS getting a cash injection that large? anyone in the UK can tell you that the NHS is underfunded.
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    Originally posted by ALGORYTHM
    well it should. but it doesn't. ever hear of the NHS getting a cash injection that large? anyone in the UK can tell you that the NHS is underfunded.
    I doubt that's because the smokers aren't paying enough tax.

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    Originally posted by Mekhu
    May I ask what about smoking annoys you?

    - While eating at a restaurant?
    - While walking down the road?
    - While drinking at a bar?
    - While at the casino?
    Smelling smoke while eating is incredibly unapetizing.

    Look it doesn't matter what you're doing. smoking irritates people. If I go bowling, I have to change my clothes and talk a shower to get the smell out of my hair. Being near people who are smoking also makes my eyes water, and if its for a long period of time it irritates my nasal passages. it can also be very bad for people who have asthma. oh yeah, and the whole cancer thing is a bit of a downer.

    I hate how smokers like yourself refuse to believe that your smoking effects other people! have you ever had the pleasure of walking down the street behind someone who's smoking? its horrible! no one should be forced to be subject to something so unpleasant, dirty, disgusting and unhealty.

    are you really that desperate to die that you have to smoke at every chance you get? don't you get enough carcinogens from smoking just at home and in your car?

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    oh yeah, i almost forgot. smokers are a huge burdon on society.

    ever gone out and picked up litter in a city? well i sure as hell have and 90% of the objects i picked up were cigarette butts. why do smokers feel they are free to litter at will? and what about health care? people pump themselves full of carcinogens and then society as a whole, smokers and non smokers, pay the bill for cancer treatment.

    if you smoke you should be ineligible for health insurance.

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    Ever had a burger?

    If you eat fat food you should be ineligible for health insurance.

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