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    Athlon XPô 2800 vs Pentium4 2.8 !

    If 2 server having a same RAM , HDD ,and 1 use Pentium 4 2.8 G hz ( No hyperthreading ) , 1 use Athlon XPô 2800 what CPU will give me a better apache and mysql speed ?
    Thank you for any of your comment .

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    Athlon XPô 2800 does not mean it's 2.8GHz.

    So Pentium 4 2.8Ghz would be faster than Athlon XPô 2800.

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    Originally posted by Darktwist
    Athlon XPô 2800 does not mean it's 2.8GHz.

    So Pentium 4 2.8Ghz would be faster than Athlon XPô 2800.
    More mhz does not mean faster/better performance

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    I know that a real clock of Xp2800 is not as 2800 but someone said it still faster than a p4 2.8 . is it right ?

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    For a production server I would always choose Intel.

    Quite a lot of it these days comes down to personal preference however.
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    Originally posted by robinbalen
    For a production server I would always choose Intel.

    Quite a lot of it these days comes down to personal preference however.
    Considering that the only difference between a Server version ( Athlon MP ) and an desktop version ( Athlon XP ) is a the surface mounted bridge I would say it doesn't matter between a P4 or Athlon XP. The biggest performance gain to be had out of these 2 Procs no matter what you choose will be your disk I/O system. Apache and Mysql really benefit from I/O that is quality. SiS, which make chipsets for both, though its hard to find a server quality SiS Based Motherboard for Athlon, makes top noch IDE subsystem if your going for cheap onboard I/O solution.

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    Athlon XPô 2800 does not mean it's 2.8GHz.

    So Pentium 4 2.8Ghz would be faster than Athlon XPô 2800.
    This isn't true. The PR rating AMD uses for their CPUs is a fairly accurate portrayal of their speed compared to the Pentium 4. Think of it like a highway; an AMD is a really wide and short highway while the Pentium 4 is long and thin. Both process the same amount, just differently. AMD does more work per clock at a lower frequency.

    If the AMD server is significantly cheaper, I would go with the AMD. If not, go Intel; customers prefer their name.

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    same old thing - do a search - this has been beat to death - the bottom line is that they are about the same. amd's naming convention seems to follow the speed of the p4 it resembles.
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    Originally posted by 2uantuM
    This isn't true. The PR rating AMD uses for their CPUs is a fairly accurate portrayal of their speed compared to the Pentium 4.
    Did you see my post about the "Athlon Pro 3100+". I'm never trusting "ratings" again. I do know that 1 amd Ggz is more punch than 1 p4 Ghz, so I'll factor that into my judgements, but to hell with "ratings". Too bad intel may pull that crap too.

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    ok, the althon pro 3100 thing needs to die now. That is NOT, i repeat, NOT an official AMD "model" This is a marketing gimick by ECS apparently, or maybe someone else reselling ecs and trying to market these as so.

    A TRUE athlon XP 3000+ is roughly on par w/ a 3ghz p4. The 800mhz p4 edge out tho, and win significantly in applications such as video encoding. As for server environment, it seems the disk subsystem would be the first thing to look at.

    and the rating system is something you will have to learn to like.. if you thought amd's naming scheme was weird (for AMD64/Opteron), just wait for Intel... what's coming up seems like it will confuse people even more.

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    I know intel is stable and alway is the best for server . But i just hear or read a lot of thing like " AMD is beatting Intel " or AMD is faster than intel at same CPU speed , AMD is better Intel in some kind of work , etc . So i just wonder , Are there anybody using AMD ? and is it REALLY better than Intel at SPEED ?
    In this topic , i mentioned about 2 server at SAME price , RAM , HDD , but 1 is intel 2.8 and 1 is AMD XP 2.8 . I am in need of speed but i do not have much money , so i just hope may be AMD will give me a little faster with a same price .
    I dont know much about server , but i'v use both AMD and INTEL PC , with 512m ram ,same kind of HDD , a althon XP 2400 faster than a pentium4 2.4G quite alot .

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    I have desktops with a 2.6 P4 and a XP 2500 with about the same components and I notice more pep with the Athlon.

    MHZ does not always mean faster. Even Intel admits this with their Pentium M mobile processors. Shortly they are getting out of the MHZ naming scheme. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115297,00.asp

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    All you need to do is look at benchmarks if you want to compare AMD vs Intel, but mind you, 64-bit processors should not be compared to 32-bit processors.
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    I have an XP2800 and ive noticed its about the same if not quicker then my p4 2.8 i use for games.
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    Originally posted by justbenice
    I know intel is stable and alway is the best for server . But i just hear or read a lot of thing like " AMD is beatting Intel " or AMD is faster than intel at same CPU speed , AMD is better Intel in some kind of work , etc . So i just wonder , Are there anybody using AMD ?
    yes, I use it on every server/computer I own or I built.

    and is it REALLY better than Intel at SPEED ?
    At the same price - AMD will be faster than Intel in almost every case.

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    I would prefer AMD for performance and cheap.

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    intel and nvidia are both doing crappy things
    that's y ATI and AMD are takin over the market

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    Originally posted by shraz
    intel and nvidia are both doing crappy things
    that's y ATI and AMD are takin over the market

    i'm all for amd, but i hardly think you can say they are "taking over the market." They may have outsold intel (*finally*) for the time being, but they still have a long ways to go.

    ati and nvidia.. heh, i won't get into that.

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    Whoever said AMD's PR system is good needs to take a look at the higher models.

    The Athlon 3200 barely beats the Pentium 4 2.8Ghz in most tests and fails in quite a lot!

    Add to this the fact the most providers are using the 2.8Ghz Prescott core now because of its low price, this has the advantage of hyperthreading and 1MB L2 cache....

    IMO the PR system went tits up after the 2000+, when AMD realised they could not get much more out of the K7 architecture and therefore they just list any new models as the number relating to Intels latest speed processor.
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    I hate ati.. ati should die, burn ati!

    I love nvidia and amd - not intel and nvidia, nor amd and ati... nvidia and amd!

    I notice overall intel runs smoother, but for the extra money I don't find it worth the lost mcdonalds meals.
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    The PR system is valid in most cases and certainly is valid in the server market. Where the PR isn't valid is some office apps, content creation where you need multi-threading ( a place where the P4 shines ) and Video Encoding. Since we are not talking anything but servers here for the original post I will say again that either platform will suffice. The biggist problem a webserver or database server needs to tackle is the latency establishing network sessions and disk I/O. A good IDE or SCSI subsystem and Intel based Network Cards will be the performance factor in servers how fast your fast PC will dish up content from the web.

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    I'd chose over AMD on a server every day, if I know what kind of motherboard it's running on.

    All my computers are AMDs and there is only one that is instable, and that's because of the motherboard.

    Mobo\'s that support intel is much more stable than the ones that support amd, esp. when it comes to linux. The under windows rocksolid Nforce2 would cause ruckus under linux...

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    i'm happy with my athlon xp 2800 for home use, but for work and servers i just prefer intel.
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    I always notice Intel beat AMD in content creation test, which prove that Intel would be better for web server. Other than that I am not sure.

    May be AMD Opteron would beat Intel, and SUN already releasing new server with AMD Opteron CPU, instead of their own SUN processor.

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    Irun alot of both of these and I can tell you at that speed - if you can get the server for about the same price - you should jump to the p4 3.0 with ht and 800 mhz bus. there is a big diff between this and the 2.8. the amd is very good - but at that leverl - I think you need to be paying 10-15% less per month for it than a solid p4 3.0
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    I'll choose AMD for home use only. Most of the clients don't like AMD, they prefer Pentium
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