Web Hosting Talk : Web Hosting Main Forums : Reseller Hosting : unlimited IP's allotment wanted. Anyone?

[Othello]

Hi!

Is there anyone out there as good and as big as Dinix, MCHost, etc. who would give away additional IP's without insistence on using dedicated IP for only SSL?

I am with a good provider now, but my growth is stunted with them because they are quite inflexible on allotment of additional IP's. I need to offer my own customers dedicated IP for each new website hosted with me now.

Rgds
Othello

[cywkevin]

just tell them ssl cert even if you have no intention of using it for that.

[HasGreatDane]

Originally posted by Othello
I need to offer my own customers dedicated IP for each new website hosted with me now.

Just curious: why? If you don't need SSL, why would you need a dedicated IP for each new customer? Surely they don't insist on it (most probably they don't even know or care).

[(Stephen)]

Any provider willing to give you non justifyable IPs will more than likely be getting in trouble because ARIN doesn't allow that (at least with ipv4 addresses, you can go claim a lot of ipv6 addresses now)

[Othello]

Originally posted by HasGreatDane
Just curious: why? If you don't need SSL, why would you need a dedicated IP for each new customer? Surely they don't insist on it (most probably they don't even know or care).

Well, one would need dedicated IP for the following reasons (even when not using ssl)

1. IP based url for allowing private/white label access to resellers where needed.

2. These days webrings made to gain search engine rankings / pagerank on google will benefit if each site on the interlinked-network is hosted on a different ip! .. its not any more like you make a ring of content sites using subdomains to main domain and they all link to each other, and presto! you gain better page rank. not any more

3. Safety of shared hosting account owners in that if one server ip is listed by spamhaus.org or some other agency, no other shared hosting owner's email gets affected.

4. Well, we offer to pay for what we wanna get, what else?

There could be many more reasons, of course.

So, unlimited IP's without SSL, anyone out there offering?

Rgds
Othello

[Othello]

Originally posted by amd_duron
Any provider willing to give you non justifyable IPs will more than likely be getting in trouble because ARIN doesn't allow that (at least with ipv4 addresses, you can go claim a lot of ipv6 addresses now)

what's the deal with ipv6 / ipv4 ? Pls. explain a li'l more.

Rgds
Othello

[NexDog]

This should explain:

http://www.ipv6.org/

It's pretty deep.

[Techark]

Originally posted by Othello
Well, one would need dedicated IP for the following reasons (even when not using ssl)

1. IP based url for allowing private/white label access to resellers where needed.

2. These days webrings made to gain search engine rankings / pagerank on google will benefit if each site on the interlinked-network is hosted on a different ip! .. its not any more like you make a ring of content sites using subdomains to main domain and they all link to each other, and presto! you gain better page rank. not any more

3. Safety of shared hosting account owners in that if one server ip is listed by spamhaus.org or some other agency, no other shared hosting owner's email gets affected.

4. Well, we offer to pay for what we wanna get, what else?

There could be many more reasons, of course.

So, unlimited IP's without SSL, anyone out there offering?

Rgds
Othello

1. I do not know what you mean by that. so cannot comment.
2. False Google also checks to see if each IP on site is in a different Class C and if not it penalizes you for link stuffing so unless you can find a provider with unlimited Class C's you are spinning your wheels.

3. Since the mail all goes through the main servers mail server getting your own dedicated for spam protection does not help.
If the main server IP gets listed all sites with a dedicated IP or not are affected and when they list one they normally expand the listing to include the full class C. So again unless you find a provider with unlimited Class C's you are spinning your wheels.

4. Paying for it is one thing but the paper work and justification forums are a pain to deal with and if the provider gets audited by ARIN they better be able to show justification for the use of the IP's.

SSL, private name servers and Anon FTP are about he only reasons needed for a static IP.

[Glanhosts]

I agree with techark:

Every Isp/hosting provider that has block of class A/B/C has address still has a shortage of static ip's and nobody is going to give you unlimited private ip's just becuase you are paying for them....there is a big shortage for static ip's thats why technologies under windows Dynamic DNS are so popular where you can have revolving ipaddress dynamically mapped to Nameserver and not to mention binding multiple url's to single ipaddress is red hot way to go for the hosting companies...

IP V6 architecture provides for 128bit ipaddress platform that have a very broad range of ip address to satisfy the growing networking demand...something we would have to wait a little longer for full implementation....

[wheimeng]

Nothing is unlimited even the water that you drink, air that you inhale everyday. Everybody agrees?

But well, FDC has unlimited IPs, probably they can serve your needs pretty well

[HiVelocity]

ARIN has lifted the ban on shared hosting , but there is a cost associated for the provider to obtain these blocks of address space thus they must recoup a cost for the ips.

[IHSL]

Whether it's 80% enforced or not, any provider giving them out like smarties, is going to have a real headache one day.

The scary thing is, you think you need to give them to your customers. If your customers need them., then they must be using SSL, or Anon. FTP, and should therefore have no problem paying for the IP.

Anything else, is not need, it's want. Two very different things.

Proceed at risk, because 1: A provider giving them out, and not asking for justification, is asking for trouble, and probably doesn't care. And 2: bending down for your customers every "need", without thinking it through, is going to land you in hot water, somewhere down the line.

Simon

[pmabraham]

Greetings:

1. In my opinion, lying is never justified and shows poor ethics.

2. If you check, google.com states IP vs. virtual hosting has no impact on their rankings (yes, it used to; now it does not).

3. I would recommend providing your reasoning’s to the data center.

While we co-locate our equipment, our data center provider has accepted a number of reasons listed (i.e. private name servers, name servers, and the like) as being proper justification.

Thank you.