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04-27-2004, 12:18 PM #1Junior Guru Wannabe
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Large or small hosts?
Is it possible to find out how many sites a particular host hosts? There are a few hosts I am looking at, but I want to make sure they will be around for awhile. Obviously, if they don't have many accounts, they can't survive is this business. I just want to do my research and come up with a credible host that will be here more than a few months.
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04-27-2004, 12:21 PM #2Temporarily Suspended
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I have been looking for the same thing. But I dont know how to go about getting that specific info.
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04-27-2004, 12:21 PM #3Web Hosting Master
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Just do a whois search on the domain and find out how long its been registered.
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04-27-2004, 12:22 PM #4Web Hosting Evangelist
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a whois search wont determin how many sites they host it will just determin how long they have been in business wich dosent mean that if they have been around a short time they have a small amount of clients!
James
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04-27-2004, 12:24 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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I did not state it would tell you the amount of clients but only how long the domain has been registered!!!
Just do a whois search on the domain and find out how long its been registered.
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04-27-2004, 12:26 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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www.webhosting.info is a good resource. But it can be inaccurate as it only tracks sites that have that domain in their DNS records. If a host has different DNS servers for different plans (resellers?) then chunks of sites wont appear.
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04-27-2004, 12:26 PM #7Junior Guru Wannabe
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Just an example. I was looking at Hostgator. I thought they were a large company, buy I found on some review site that they only hosted about 1100 sites. Is that considered a lot or not?
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04-27-2004, 12:29 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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It all depends on how long they've been in buisness.
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04-27-2004, 12:29 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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Well, there is no sure-perfect way, but a great way to tell can be looking into the following
- do they have a discussion forum and how many members are on it
- how sophisticated is their support center (ticket center, 800#?, redundant knowledgebase)
- check how long the domain has been registered for
- how sophisticated is their billing center (is it possible for clients to login to a secure area to update CC's?)
Of course, there are other ways as well, but those are some good spots to look into
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04-27-2004, 12:29 PM #10WHT Addict
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I'd love to be able to determine this also.
I have a new software I want web hosting companies to resell. Should would be a big help in targeting my sales efforts.
Dan
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04-27-2004, 12:32 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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When ever you offer more for you customers the better your outcome will be!!!
Its like a host offering the same price, been around for the same amount of time and the same service but one dosent offer fantastico. Which one are you going to go with???
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04-27-2004, 12:33 PM #12WHT Addict
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Originally posted by amish_geek
webhosting is a good resource. But it can be inaccurate as it only tracks sites that have that domain in their DNS records. If a host has different DNS servers for different plans (resellers?) then chunks of sites wont appear.
Thanks! And thanks for the caveat.
Dan
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04-27-2004, 01:15 PM #13Junior Guru Wannabe
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Webhosting.info is a nice site, but it only lists the big guys. Most of the affordable hosts don't have 150,000 domains hosted.
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04-27-2004, 01:26 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by DanPhx
Fantastic site.
Thanks! And thanks for the caveat.
Dan
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04-27-2004, 01:30 PM #15Aspiring Evangelist
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Re: Large or small hosts?
Originally posted by fergie
Obviously, if they don't have many accounts, they can't survive is this business.
As long as a person is dedicated and has the money, their hosting comnpany could thrive for years off end.
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04-27-2004, 02:25 PM #16WHT Addict
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Re: Re: Large or small hosts?
Originally posted by G2-Hosting
Just because a hosting company has a small amount of clients does not mean they are going to go under tomorrow, or a even 4 months from now.
As long as a person is dedicated and has the money, their hosting comnpany could thrive for years off end.
Ask MCI... oh wait.. on second thought, don't ;-)
Danhttp://www.IwantFUI.com
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and make new money from your customers and differentiate your business all at the same time... could you afford not to try? See the new site
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04-27-2004, 02:39 PM #17Aspiring Evangelist
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Re: Re: Re: Large or small hosts?
Originally posted by DanPhx
I agree. Revenue and profit are very different things!
Ask MCI... oh wait.. on second thought, don't ;-)
Dan
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04-27-2004, 03:17 PM #18Newbie
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try whois.sc they say how many web sites are hosted by a domain.
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04-27-2004, 03:20 PM #19Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by talian
try whois.sc they say how many web sites are hosted by a domain.
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04-27-2004, 03:53 PM #20Newbie
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Originally posted by thedavid
Which is also wrong.... Even worse than webhosting.info. It's about 99% wrong. No lie.
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04-27-2004, 03:58 PM #21Web Hosting Master
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Domains. I don't know exactly how this one derives its numbers (appears to be pulled off of an IP address in some fashion).
I know of internal information for a tier 1 that I used to work for - I plugged that in too. Wrong.
Only point I make - these tools aren't really accurate predictors of an actual 'company size' nor number of domains hosted. At best, it's an educated guess they make, and they're often wrong.
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04-27-2004, 04:09 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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Greetings:
Some things to keep in mind about the large providers --- telecommunication carriers, Verio, and the like:
1. From our experience, telecommunication providers (XO and the like) who do hosting have lower quality technicians in terms of their training and ability to handle common hosting issues.
We’ve seen case after case of a telecommunications hosting provider make a sale, transfer DNS, and not even alert their customer to get the files from their previous hosting provider first.
2. Just because they are large, does not mean they have x times the support staff that a smaller host has available.
While the number is probably higher today, I was pleasantly surprised that Verio’s dedicated server division had only three technicians in late 1998.
3. Some large providers, like Verio for instance, are fed capital ($$$) from their parent company (NTT in the case of Verio). While that’s nice, it may mean that like Dell Hosting, the assets are one day sold. Which may or may not mean transition problems (aka down time et all).
Thank you.
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04-27-2004, 04:15 PM #23Temporarily Out of Service
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Also keep in mind domains hosted and the number of clients is an entirely different number. We host 15,000+ sites however we only have a few thousand paying clients.
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Originally posted by hostgator.com
Also keep in mind domains hosted and the number of clients is an entirely different number. We host 15,000+ sites however we only have a few thousand paying clients.
I hadn't thought of that.
Danhttp://www.IwantFUI.com
If you could host a new kind of content from your old-fashioned web servers
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04-30-2004, 04:42 PM #25New Member
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Originally posted by hostgator.com
Also keep in mind domains hosted and the number of clients is an entirely different number. We host 15,000+ sites however we only have a few thousand paying clients.
Been a long week with multiple sites that I had with another reseller account suddenly down for the past four days, including emails. I spent my days researching and looking for a new "place". IMHO, seems that it is easier to do a google search on any hosting / reseller name and see what kind of links, are where the links are, to give one a perspective on that hosting / reseller. Not exactly a good science, perhaps, but the fact that "hostgator" didn't show too many times negatively was a consideration for me. Affordability is what the clients want, well actually they want "everything" for "nothing", but finding a happy mix between the small guys cost and the big boys stability is difficult. And then the big boys seem to have bigger troubles. Worldcom was "fun". And talk about layers of layers of people to weed through in order to get a wrong righted. Ugh!
Given a choose, for those of us that cringe when some says "NIC card"... I think someone that is on the smaller side that has been around awhile might be a safer bet until you can get your own OC3 line into the house...
--ron
ps. I hate being an "old" guy with a "newbie" status. Anyway I can "buy" a higher posting number? Hahaha..