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    * Nazi Hosting

    1st Amendment (http://www.1st-amendment.net) web hosting company offers web hosting for sites that really really need that right enforced. I guess.

    One of them is the American Nazi Party:
    http://www.americannaziparty.com


    Do you think this is acceptable?
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    Obviously, on a personal level, I don't think this acceptable. However, it is their right to have a website like that, and it would be contradicting my beleifs to say their site should be taken down.
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    Originally posted by B_Birmingham
    Obviously, on a personal level, I don't think this acceptable. However, it is their right to have a website like that, and it would be contradicting my beleifs to say their site should be taken down.
    And yet all Nazi web sites and materials are being taken down by the government.

    Make a search for "nazi web hosting" at Google - numerous articles in this regard would come up.
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    I wouldn't host it and my personal beliefs don't coincide with the hosted website you referenced but at the same time I think they have the right to have a website of this nature up if they choose to.
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    that reminds me

    why is it ok that we have something called

    "Black Entertainment Channel" (BET)

    but you KNOW if someone put up a network called

    "White Entertainment Channel"

    thered be all kinds of chaos!

    is one ok but not the other?

    odd!
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    This goes far beyond web hosting but part of the drawback of free speach is your going to be disgusted, offended and somtimes taken by suprise at what people say. I always think people should have the right to say it though...
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    I would say that its totally un acceptable
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    Totally acceptable, as long as the website itself is not breaking any laws. Now, I'm not sure if I would fight for the naziparty to have web hosting, but if someone is providing it to them I don't view them as criminal or wrong.

    They might be unpopular with some, but someone has to protect everyone's first amendment rights.

    Kind of like that American orginization that specializes in defending the unpopular parties (they've defended nazis, african americans back in the day, and other parties), can't remember the name of the orginization right now...
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    LaurenStephens, I am worried, I don't know what you are implying by your comment 'is one ok but not the other?' Does that mean you find this acceptable? Although I'm sure I'm misunderstanding you.
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    im sorry, do i find which part acceptable??

    that nazi website??

    or the tv channel thing?

    elaborate please
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    The nazi thing, Lauren.
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    Originally posted by LaurenStephens
    ...
    but you KNOW if someone put up a network called

    "White Entertainment Channel"

    thered be all kinds of chaos!
    ...
    We have several "White Entertainment Channels":
    ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.

    There is a huge difference between a minority group providing programming for their sub-culture (sub as in part of a larger group, not underneath another group) and promoting the populous standard as different than everyone else.

    As for hosting, I consider hosting any political group as potentially alienating other businesses. But, I will fight to all ends for any group (that doesn't promote any violent acts) to get their message out, even if I think it is morally corrupt.

    "Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."
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    im not 100% sure if you are asking if the site content is ok with me or the fact that someone is hosting it.

    im not familiar with the nazi agenda nor did i read the site, but no i dont have a problem with those people hosting it.
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    Guys, let's not make this about television for ethnic groups.

    The point is not what is promoted on a Nazi web site, but is it reasonable and acceptable to host it.

    Thank you.
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    Originally posted by ambirex
    We have several "White Entertainment Channels":
    ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.

    thats an old argument.

    what i stated was about what it is CALLED.

    wouldnt it be very politically incorrect to have a station NAMED the white entertainment channel?
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    Originally posted by LaurenStephens
    im not 100% sure if you are asking if the site content is ok with me or the fact that someone is hosting it.
    Yes, I'm only curious of your and everyone else's opinion if it is acceptable or reasonable to host something like this, not what the content says.
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    Again, let's not make this about television or content of a web site.

    The question was and remains if is reasonable or acceptable to host something like this.

    Thank you.
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    Originally posted by Artashes
    Guys, let's not make this about television for ethnic groups.

    The point is not what is promoted on a Nazi web site, but is it reasonable and acceptable to host it.

    Thank you.
    it is obviously about the sites content and agenda, unless you have some other opposition to the website?

    i dont like country music, but would i refuse to host a site about it??? well, maybe... lol

    there are many types of sites that i would refuse to host of course.
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    As far as the company hosting, I don't see anything at all wrong with that. Just as long as they make sure none of their sites are breaking any laws.

    I used to work for another webhost and one of our clients had an anti-american/capitalists theme to it. I actually found the site quite offensive, but he never broke our TOS and I actually provided tech support to him a few times. He had the right to say what he wanted to say.
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    Originally posted by LaurenStephens
    thats an old argument.

    what i stated was about what it is CALLED.

    wouldnt it be very politically incorrect to have a station NAMED the white entertainment channel?
    And your argument is very glib. The point is a minority is providing content that would otherwise not get the attention of the majority. Much like hosting a Nazi website needs the protection, A website promoting democracy would have no problems finding anyone to host them.

    If they are having problems finding hosts (assuming that they aren't promoting violence or other unlawful activities) I think this service is needed.

    But, again, personally I wouldn't host them (or any other political group) as I see it as bad for buisness.
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    Originally posted by LaurenStephens
    it is obviously about the sites content and agenda, unless you have some other opposition to the website?
    OK, fine, it IS about those type of site's agenda, but this is not what my question was about.

    I'll repeat: Do you find it acceptable or reasonable to host something like this?

    That's it. No more is needed to know.


    EDIT: Keep in mind that this kind of a client might cause legal trouble or even hacking attempts. What if the government calls you up and asks to remove it? Would you fight the challenge? I mean you are the 1st Amendment host, right, you are supposed to...


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    ok then i should ask YOU this..

    do you oppose this type of website?

    and if so, what is the basis for that?

    would YOU host them?

    EDIT: ANY site can cause legal trouble lol

    and many different types of sites are targets for hacking.
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    Perfectly fine to host it. Nothing wrong with the site either. The site does no harm to anyone.
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    Originally posted by Artashes
    I'll repeat: Do you find it acceptable or reasonable to host something like this?
    With that clarification, I would have to answer no. I wouldn't find it acceptable. But of course, 1st amendment rights are not the main goal of our company.
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    Originally posted by LaurenStephens
    ok then i should ask YOU this..

    do you oppose this type of website?

    and if so, what is the basis for that?

    would YOU host them?

    EDIT: ANY site can cause legal trouble lol

    and many different types of sites are targets for hacking.
    Do you oppose this type of website?
    - Yes. The basis is personal beliefs.

    Would I host them?
    - I'm not a host. That is why I was curious in your opinions.
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