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04-20-2004, 01:52 AM #1WHT Addict
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WorldCom bandwidth worth?
What's the most worldcom bandwidth is worth nowadays (on a 5-10 mbps commit), there's a super-nice ($75 million) wcom facility next door to us and we are considering it, $100 per mbps? or less?
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04-20-2004, 02:01 AM #2Aspiring Evangelist
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On that low of a commit (5-10Mbit), you'll probably pay well over $100 (if I had to guess). Pricing comes down significantly at higher levels. I don't think it's unheard of for UU to quote at or even below $30 per Mbit on gig-e level commits.
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04-20-2004, 02:03 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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For 1-5Mbit directly with Worldcom. It probably would be 600/mbps or so. Worldcom is still one of the strongest carrier out there.
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04-20-2004, 02:09 AM #4WHT Addict
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I think that's kind of high, we were paying $575/mbps on a 2mbps commit in 2001. I know even internap will do around $200/mbps on a 10mbps, I just want this in this facility for convenience
Originally posted by Mfjp
For 1-5Mbit directly with Worldcom. It probably would be 600/mbps or so. Worldcom is still one of the strongest carrier out there.
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04-20-2004, 02:12 AM #5Aspiring Evangelist
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1. Worldcom is gone. The company is now called MCI (again, sort of.)
2. If you colo in a WCOM/UUnet/MCI/Whatevertheycallthemself facility you will definately pay more. In a facility owned by a transit provider you have NO options and MCI knows this and will squeeze you for every penny they can. Be careful of hidden costs.
At 5-10Mbps you a too small to be of any real value to a large carrier like MCI.
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04-20-2004, 02:16 AM #6Aspiring Evangelist
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Originally posted by Mfjp
For 1-5Mbit directly with Worldcom. It probably would be 600/mbps or so. Worldcom is still one of the strongest carrier out there.
Admittedly, UU is a very large network, but their pricing has come down tremendously.
I think your $600 guess would've been accurate a few years ago (99/00 maybe even 01) but this is 2004. Very few carriers are even _trying_ to sell at above $200 a meg, even on small commits.
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04-20-2004, 02:29 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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It actually depends on who you called up. I wouldn't be surprised if they give you 600/Mbps if you just cold called them up, tell them you're some kind of business needing colocation service in one of their facility somewhere in the US ground where the market is served by only 1 or 2 of the ILEC.
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04-20-2004, 03:24 AM #8Junior Guru Wannabe
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I used to work at the UUNET Ashburn, VA facility. Sold a lot of colo there at the data center on campus. You can get less than $100/ mg. for 10 megs. Probably around $80/ mg. For a Gig, somewhere around $50/ meg or less. Install is typically waived.
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04-20-2004, 11:21 PM #9Aspiring Evangelist
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For what it's worth... we use and Intelligent Router which measures the speed of the different providers and then manipulates the BGP tables to the fastest provider not just the shortest number of AS hops (BGP). Before we purchased the IR, we thought a large % of traffic would go MCI because they have the "largest" network.
Funny, a large percentage of traffic that would go MCI using standard BGP is switched to other providers because they perform better than MCI.
MCI is a nice provider to have in your network, especially for marketing but I don't see the value in the product for the higher price.Brad @ Xiolink
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04-21-2004, 01:25 AM #10Web Hosting Master
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Brad,
Could it be your location that's making a difference?http://Ethr.net jay@ethr.net
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Originally posted by Brad @ Xiolink
MCI is a nice provider to have in your network, especially for marketing but I don't see the value in the product for the higher price.
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Originally posted by rusko
from their attempts to sell me transit, i can say that they are no longer at a large premium over other providers.
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They probably are trying to recap some market share.Mike @ Xiolink.com
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04-21-2004, 10:51 PM #14Registered User
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So if I can get it at $80 a meg is that a good or bad deal?
In Chicago at FDC.
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04-21-2004, 11:01 PM #15WHT Addict
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Pretty good deal, I know level3 is doing around $75 for 10bmps commit.
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So if I can get it at $80 a meg is that a good or bad deal?
In Chicago at FDC.
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Definately a good deal at $80/meg on small commits if it's drop off from the carrier directly.
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Nice price if its direct, but I would suspect it isnt.
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I agree with Dragoon's comment, and know customers in MCI. They are limited to suppling you one source of bandwidth, then route it through other providers to get better latency. Once they have you look out for hidden costs and additional costs in 6 months.
Worldcomm/UUNET/MCI out with the old...
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Originally posted by wholesaleip
I agree with Dragoon's comment, and know customers in MCI. They are limited to suppling you one source of bandwidth, then route it through other providers to get better latency. Once they have you look out for hidden costs and additional costs in 6 months.
Worldcomm/UUNET/MCI out with the old...
I don't think you've got the slightest idea what you're talking about with regard to inter-domain IP routing.Jeff at Innovative Network Concepts / 212-981-0607 x8579 / AIM: jeffsw6
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Originally posted by wholesaleip
I agree with Dragoon's comment, and know customers in MCI. They are limited to suppling you one source of bandwidth, then route it through other providers to get better latency. Once they have you look out for hidden costs and additional costs in 6 months.
Worldcomm/UUNET/MCI out with the old...
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Interesting....
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quoting past customer experiance...
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Originally posted by wholesaleip
quoting past customer experiance...
You seem to be well outside your area of expertiese.Jeff at Innovative Network Concepts / 212-981-0607 x8579 / AIM: jeffsw6
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AS701 is the King of Bandwidth. They peer with everybody, they don't need to route it to any other carrier.
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So can anyone recommend a good MCI rep or MCI reseller that can deliver 15 MB at a great price to Equinix?