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    News: Zapatero orders Spanish pullout from Iraq

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    Zapatero orders Spanish pullout from Iraq

    Well done Spain!

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    ppl danced in the streets for this pullout.

    well done
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    Originally posted by Web Rhino
    ppl danced in the streets for this pullout.

    well done

    Yes, getting back to justice is well worth it.

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    After the Madrid attacks, it was only a matter of time.

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    A leader who actually follows the wishes of his people, what an interesting concept.

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    You ought to have a backbone to do something like this.

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    Giving in to terror. Seems pretty spineless to me.

    The bully will now rule in Spain supreme. From school yards all the way up to the top. The message is clear. Terror is the only way to make your point.

    Bad decision.

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    Originally posted by Velostream
    After the Madrid attacks, it was only a matter of time.
    No, he won the elections doing that promise.
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    Originally posted by SimonMc
    Giving in to terror. Seems pretty spineless to me.

    The bully will now rule in Spain supreme. From school yards all the way up to the top. The message is clear. Terror is the only way to make your point.

    Bad decision.

    Simon
    Spanish people have decided that sending troops to Iraq is not a good thing to do, they decided that long time ago, before the madrid thing. Also, Aznar went to war against the will of people. The Spanish people elected Zapatero because he promised to get out from Iraq, they made up their minds long before Madrid bombings.

    Following the will of people is democracy, isn't it?

    Again, well done Spain!

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    Well if they don't feel fit to continue the fight is is probably best that they're straight with the coalition and bug out.

    NO MATTER

    Spain although it did carry some political weight will not really affect the fight and protectionist and peacekeeping force in Iraq. They numbered about 1300 i believe. If the number need to be made up Britain and America would need to send out only 1 further battalion each but with some redistribution and the dying down of current rebel activity that might not be necessary but only time will tell.

    nozol and Web Rhino, if people danced where you were and you're pleased then you don't have the best interests of Iraq in mind and Justice, not from where i'm sitting.

    The Coalitioni still there to stay in Iraq, this has accomplished little in the long term if the Prime Minister hoped to damage the effort. We've known about this for weeks and i suppose it is in the interests of Spain if they wish to move closer to the Franco German alliance view of world thinking .

    Although when i look at some of the WHT characters in agreement over this it is no surprise that i am opposed at that does happen in this area all the time.

    I wonder how this Prime Minister Zapatero feels, considering he knows that without a devastating and tragic terrorist attack against Spain that it is nearly a dead cert he would be the leader of the opposition. hmm

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    Originally posted by Critic
    nozol and Web Rhino, if people danced where you were and you're pleased then you don't have the best interests of Iraq in mind and Justice, not from where i'm sitting.

    Hi Critic,

    Web Rhino meant that people danced in the streets in Spain, not in our area. That was mentioned in the news also.

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    Originally posted by nozol
    Hi Critic,

    Web Rhino meant that people danced in the streets in Spain, not in our area. That was mentioned in the news also.

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    I'll have to take your word on the dancing thing.

    Regardless i stand by the rest of the post which you refuse to comment upon.

    If you feel that it is good for the protectionist and peacekeeeping forces to pull out which are allowing the newly formed Police and defence forces to get on their feet then i....wel i think you're totally wrong and misinformed.

    You hope that the Coalition will fail in Iraq yes? Well with or without Spain the chances of that are very very slim.

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    I'll have to take your word on the dancing thing.

    Regardless i stand by the rest of the post which you refuse to comment upon.

    If you feel that it is good for the protectionist and peacekeeeping forces to pull out which are allowing the newly formed Police and defence forces to get on their feet then i....wel i think you're totally wrong and misinformed.

    You hope that the Coalition will fail in Iraq yes? Well with or without Spain the chances of that are very very slim.

    Critic,

    I am sorry, I did not ignore your post or refuse to comment on it, I just wanted to make sure that there is no misunderstanding of the dancing issue.


    The whole point is that the war on Iraq was wrong, so these forces should be back home. This is to comment on your kind post.

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    it was about time!!!

    Since the very first day that mr. Aznar (or Ansar according to Bush!) announced Spain would participate in this .. war.. whatever you wanna call it, everybody was against it, including (!) 85-90% of the *Spanish* citizens.

    Zapatero promised during his campaign (that started way before the 11M for those who don't know or don't wanna know) that if he won, the soldiers would come back. He won, the soldiers come back, as easy as that.

    And, since according to US this won't affect the whole mess there and Spanish troops won't be missed, why even comment on it and make such a fuzz about the news?

    PS: I already explained the political situation in Spain before 11M and after in another post (but don't feel like searching..) - the thing is the only ones who say (and believe?) that Zapatero won because of 11M are PP themselves (of course) and other "pro-Aznar"/right-wing media (of course, again). Wonder why
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    Well, if you're going to post a link to the story...you might as well tell the WHOLE STORY.

    Yes, Spain is pulling out, however, the Spanish Foreign Minister has renewed Spain's stance on terrorism and has pledged continued support for the United States and its allies. Also, the Minister pointed out the Spain will continue in helping recontruct Iraq and help its transition to democracy.

    So, really all they did was pull out 1300 troops.
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    Originally posted by TradeViceroy
    Well, if you're going to post a link to the story...you might as well tell the WHOLE STORY.

    Yes, Spain is pulling out, however, the Spanish Foreign Minister has renewed Spain's stance on terrorism and has pledged continued support for the United States and its allies. Also, the Minister pointed out the Spain will continue in helping recontruct Iraq and help its transition to democracy.

    So, really all they did was pull out 1300 troops.
    Well, rebuilding Iraq, fighting terrorism (whatever that means), and so on, all of these things are agreed upon. Pulling out the troops means that going into war was a mistake from the first place, and the man is saying sorry we did a mistake and here we are pulling out, it is as simple as that.

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    Originally posted by nozol
    Well, rebuilding Iraq, fighting terrorism (whatever that means), and so on, all of these things are agreed upon. Pulling out the troops means that going into war was a mistake from the first place, and the man is saying sorry we did a mistake and here we are pulling out, it is as simple as that.

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    Where are you reading that?
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    Originally posted by TradeViceroy
     

    Where are you reading that?
    Well, at least that was what I understood. Pulling out the forces, means 'we are not in this war any more', no matter how small those troops are. Or I did not get your question right?

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    So, really all they did was pull out 1300 troops.
    It is a political and diplomatic souding out on the situation, makes good headlines in the riglt places in Spain.

    I read an article earlier on today on bbcnews.com which said it will take up to 2 months to withdraw completely due to "operational requirements". What this allows them to do is possibly change there mind to a certain degree and still stay involved if a UN resolution is passed that suits their needs.

    Oh and to respond to what is being said in the past couple of posts, pulling out simply means that the new government [Socialist one] thinks it was a mistake and or that by doing this it will aid Zapatero in becoming closer to the Franco German alliance taking Spain to thqat end of the European political spectrum which i with.

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    Originally posted by Critic
    It is a political and diplomatic souding out on the situation, makes good headlines in the riglt places in Spain.

    I read an article earlier on today on bbcnews.com which said it will take up to 2 months to withdraw completely due to "operational requirements". What this allows them to do is possibly change there mind to a certain degree and still stay involved if a UN resolution is passed that suits their needs.

    Critic,
    I beleive that this could be correct, politicians are politicians, however, that does not ignore the fact that he is really caring about the demand of his people to pull out the military operations from Iraq.

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    Originally posted by nozol
    I beleive that this could be correct, politicians are politicians, however, that does not ignore the fact that he is really caring about the demand of his people to pull out the military operations from Iraq.

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    Would you support everyone pulling out of iraq? Just curious.

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    Would you support everyone pulling out of iraq? Just curious.
    I think I understand your question.

    In Iraq, there are 2 types of forces there.

    1- Invaders, like the US, Britain, Italy and others.

    2- Defenders, like Iraqi's and other muslims and Arabs that you call 'Gurilla terrorist groups', which I see they are not, and millions of people around the world share my views. In a previous thread, I pointed out that muslims view each other as brothers of one nation. There is no such a thing as a foriegner muslim.


    So, I support the pullout of all invaders, so by default, defenders will go out by themselves. Hope this answers your kind question.

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    Ok, so say the US, britan, italy, et al pull out.

    What happens when the Sunnis and shiites engage in a violent civil war? You do realize that 'iraq' is really a grouping of what could be seen as three groups, with borders drawn once again by england.

    Will you then yell at the us for the ensuing bloodbath?

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    Originally posted by thedavid
    Ok, so say the US, britan, italy, et al pull out.

    What happens when the Sunnis and shiites engage in a violent civil war? You do realize that 'iraq' is really a grouping of what could be seen as three groups, with borders drawn once again by england.

    Will you then yell at the us for the ensuing bloodbath?
    Well, I understand that this MAY occur, also due to foriegn hands that move such seperation between people of one nation.

    Even if this happens, God forbid, it is very wrong to call out for the US or any other foreign army to come in force order.

    In many ocasions of history, wars between brothers do occur, what you call a civil war. This is almost inevitable due to foriegn hands as I mensioned above. The Islamic solution to this situation is mentioned in Quran, God says, I am translating ofcourse:

    "If two groups of the beleivers quarrel, then you (muslims) must make peace between them, if one group was injust over the other, then fight the one that is injust, untill they come back to God's commands"


    So, calling out from forign army is a very dangerous thing to do in Islam.

    This is well established in the Islamic law, and by the way, what happened in 1990 was very wrong tat Kwuait called for the US to come and get Iraq out. Instead, this should be solved between muslims as stated in the Quran above.

    That is what our religion says and muslims all over the world stick to their beleives.


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    nozol,

    1- Invaders, like the US, Britain, Italy and others.

    2- Defenders, like Iraqi's and other muslims and Arabs that you call 'Gurilla terrorist groups', which I see they are not, and millions of people around the world share my views. In a previous thread, I pointed out that muslims view each other as brothers of one nation. There is no such a thing as a foriegner muslim.
    Of course i disagree with that but where to the UN and the many NGO's lie in your opinion, are they also "Invaders" and deserved the attacks and bombings and being pushed out of Iraq? Is that how it is written also?

    I think you have to remember that when you're talking about Iraq it has been more a secular country than an Islamic one in recent times not to mention tha there are over a million Christians in Iraq also. Where would they end up in a civil war between two Islamic factions or groups. You seem to hold a bit of a grudge against foreigners, is some cases i can at least understand why to some degree but you think Kuwait was wrong to seek International assistance? I also can't agree with that, Kuwait couldn't really beat Iraq alone and i don't rate the chances of some pan Arab alliance doing what the UN Coalition did at the time either. It woul've got worse but i might be wrong, back in 91 it required swift and decisive action.

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    Originally posted by nozol
    Well, I understand that this MAY occur, also due to foriegn hands that move such seperation between people of one nation.

    Even if this happens, God forbid, it is very wrong to call out for the US or any other foreign army to come in force order.

    In many ocasions of history, wars between brothers do occur, what you call a civil war. This is almost inevitable due to foriegn hands as I mensioned above. The Islamic solution to this situation is mentioned in Quran, God says, I am translating ofcourse:

    "If two groups of the beleivers quarrel, then you (muslims) must make peace between them, if one group was injust over the other, then fight the one that is injust, untill they come back to God's commands"


    So, calling out from forign army is a very dangerous thing to do in Islam.

    This is well established in the Islamic law, and by the way, what happened in 1990 was very wrong tat Kwuait called for the US to come and get Iraq out. Instead, this should be solved between muslims as stated in the Quran above.

    That is what our religion says and muslims all over the world stick to their beleives.


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    Unfortuneately there are too many civalised people in the word to allow that to happen. You see ...we are all responsible for the ensuing bloodbath that will happen if the troops pull out before the job is done.

    Civalised people do not just sit and do nothing when genoside takes place. If they do (and they have in the past) they are wrong.

    Your ideoligy is so extremly flawed. Prove you can do this without genocide ensuing and I am sure everyone will follow your lead.

    Stop blaming everyone else for your misfotunes...it happens to everyone at one time or another. Look at England...they were invaded by the vikings. Do you see them bitching about it now?

    Grow up (I mean as a nation) and get over it!

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    Originally posted by Critic
    nozol,



    Of course i disagree with that but where to the UN and the many NGO's lie in your opinion, are they also "Invaders" and deserved the attacks and bombings and being pushed out of Iraq? Is that how it is written also?

    I think you have to remember that when you're talking about Iraq it has been more a secular country than an Islamic one in recent times not to mention tha there are over a million Christians in Iraq also. Where would they end up in a civil war between two Islamic factions or groups. You seem to hold a bit of a grudge against foreigners, is some cases i can at least understand why to some degree but you think Kuwait was wrong to seek International assistance? I also can't agree with that, Kuwait couldn't really beat Iraq alone and i don't rate the chances of some pan Arab alliance doing what the UN Coalition did at the time either. It woul've got worse but i might be wrong, back in 91 it required swift and decisive action.

    Critic,
    Well, to understand muslims, we need to read their culture. The problem of this war thing, for people, is that they have very little knowledge about what Islam is. So, they have very little knowledge of what muslims are.

    Some people try to intensionally portray muslims as terrorists and uncivilised entities. Well, this is unlimately untrue. Muslims has a very large history and very solid culture and rule system and so on.

    Trying to understand how muslims think, from a-lack-of knowledge-about-them point of view, is very wrong in my opinion. You will see every word as a strange word and every thought as a strange thought.

    This is also part of the responsibility put on muslims, that they rarely try to explain their point of views to people in the world, also for obvious reasons, they will be pointed out as terrorists and so on.


    Now to get back to the UN issue, yes, the UN is also considered a foriegner. Not only that, it is also considered an entity that forces laws of people on muslims, which is not correct in the mind of a muslim. As I mentioned before in another thread, only the laws of God that should be applied in a muslim life. Any law that conflicts with the laws of God, which are solid, clear and strictly followed, which consequently means order, not chaos, in the muslim world, any other law is considered an anti-God law.


    Muslim forces from the sea to the ocean, are capable of forcing order, and that was what happened centuries and centuries over time, when the Caliphate system was in effect.

    So, for example, to solve a problem such as the one that was between Iraq and Kwuait, there should be unity between all of the muslim world on the first place. If any group comes out of order, all muslims should fight them to get them back to order. So, in the light of unity, yes muslim-combined troops are enough to put down any fire that rise in between.



    As I said, it is impossible to understand muslims, without actucally trying to understand them. All what I am trying to do here, is say what is never said elsewhere. And never explained by muslims. So, I might be looked at as terrorist, which by the way, no one that I live btween thinks I am ( I do not live between al-qaeda memebers if those are the terrorists that do not think themselves are )


    Hope this answers your question.

    Wish you all the best!

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    Millions died in concentration camps before World War 2 because we acted too late!

    We're in Iraq, and to pull out now would be a slap on the face to the families who lost loved ones, plus thousands, maybe more than a million Iraqi's will die because of a Civil War!

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    Originally posted by SimonMc
    [B]Unfortuneately there are too many civalised people in the word to allow that to happen. You see ...we are all responsible for the ensuing bloodbath that will happen if the troops pull out before the job is done.
    And what about the boodbath caused for the very same troops?
    That doesn't count?

    Civalised people do not just sit and do nothing when genoside takes place. If they do (and they have in the past) they are wrong.
    Civalised people nor use the war and killing people as a way to get cheaper oil or win an election. Nor use a tragedy as the 9-11 to encorage the people to attack an inocent country (Iraq have no relationship with the 9-11).

    Your ideoligy is so extremly flawed. Prove you can do this without genocide ensuing and I am sure everyone will follow your lead.
    Guess that for you 30.000 person death in Iraq because the coalition troops is not enought

    Stop blaming everyone else for your misfotunes...it happens to everyone at one time or another. Look at England...they were invaded by the vikings. Do you see them bitching about it now?
    Wasent England (not as a country) ocuppied by the vikings before?
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    Originally posted by SimonMc
    Unfortuneately there are too many civalised people in the word to allow that to happen. You see ...we are all responsible for the ensuing bloodbath that will happen if the troops pull out before the job is done.

    Civalised people do not just sit and do nothing when genoside takes place. If they do (and they have in the past) they are wrong.

    Your ideoligy is so extremly flawed. Prove you can do this without genocide ensuing and I am sure everyone will follow your lead.

    Stop blaming everyone else for your misfotunes...it happens to everyone at one time or another. Look at England...they were invaded by the vikings. Do you see them bitching about it now?

    Grow up (I mean as a nation) and get over it!

    Simon
    I think that the above also applies to your question Simon. Wish you all the best!
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    And what about the boodbath caused for the very same troops?
    That doesn't count?

    "seems a lot of outsiders coming into Iraq for the fight are to blame. The people of Iraq ...what do they want?


    Civalised people nor use the war and killing people as a way to get cheaper oil or win an election. Nor use a tragedy as the 9-11 to encorage the people to attack an inocent country (Iraq have no relationship with the 9-11).

    Sounds like you think it was an accident....kind of like a natural dissaster


    Guess that for you 30.000 person death in Iraq because the coalition troops is not enought

    Saddam probably doubled that figure on his own with no future in sight for the country.

    Wasent England (not as a country) ocuppied by the vikings before?

    I have no idea what you are saying here. please clarify this.

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by SimonMc

    "seems a lot of outsiders coming into Iraq for the fight are to blame. The people of Iraq ...what do they want?

    Do you mean like the USA troops inviding their soil?

    Sounds like you think it was an accident....kind of like a natural dissaster

    No, it was Al-Qaeda with the help of some "security" agencies letting them do it.

    Saddam probably doubled that figure on his own with no future in sight for the country.

    How many Iraqis will die with the USA presence there? 30.000 in a year, is a good number huh? I guess that they won to Saddam too.


    I have no idea what you are saying here. please clarify this.

    I meaned, wasent the island ocuppied by vikings before to the Norman, Saxon, etc?
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    Originally posted by Jedito


    I meaned, wasent the island ocuppied by vikings before to the Norman, Saxon, etc?
    Huh. Have you ever found out the facts before making comment? I would say no!

    Your problem is that no matter what happens in the middle east...no matter what. It will never be down to the people from the middle east...it will always be someone elses fault.

    What did you say when saddam murdered with gas 5000 plus of his own people?

    What did you say when Bin Laden crashed the jets into the twin towers? Did you celebrate? Were you happy?

    What about when the Bosnians decided to commit genocide on their neighbor. What did you say then?

    How would you solve this crisis and bring peace to the region?

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    Spain should of withdrawn on its own without needing terror attacks like this. For them to withdraw right after the terror attacks just means it works and now terrorist will double their efforts.

    Spain should have waited and used another excuse to withdraw and not the terrorist one.
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    What did you say when saddam murdered with gas 5000 plus of his own people?
    Oh, you don't want to bring this back!
    Saddam was helped and supported for the very same country that now accuse him for this things. Yes, for USA.

    What did you say when Bin Laden crashed the jets into the twin towers? Did you celebrate? Were you happy?
    Why do you said that crap?

    What about when the Bosnians decided to commit genocide on their neighbor. What did you say then?
    They just woke up a day and decided to commit genocide. What a way of simplify facts!!!.

    How would you solve this crisis and bring peace to the region?
    Inviding a country, killing more people, making the country a USA colony and a good bussines for some Bush friend's wont do it for sure.

    Huh. Have you ever found out the facts before making comment? I would say no!
    Althrough is a different topic, I was just asking, anyway, the vikings invaded the island in the 8th century, there wasent even a country there, only separated kingdoms.
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    Originally posted by alvinks
    Spain should of withdrawn on its own without needing terror attacks like this. For them to withdraw right after the terror attacks just means it works and now terrorist will double their efforts.

    Spain should have waited and used another excuse to withdraw and not the terrorist one.
    Zapatero won the elecction promossing to retreat the troops.

    He promissed it before the bombs in madrid and he's accomplishing with his electoral promise.
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  37. #37
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    Originally posted by Jedito
    Oh, you don't want to bring this back!
    Saddam was helped and supported for the very same country that now accuse him for this things. Yes, for USA.



    Why do you said that crap?


    They just woke up a day and decided to commit genocide. What a way of simplify facts!!!.


    Inviding a country, killing more people, making the country a USA colony and a good bussines for some Bush friend's wont do it for sure.


    Althrough is a different topic, I was just asking, anyway, the vikings invaded the island in the 8th century, there wasent even a country there, only separated kingdoms.
    You avoid more questions than you answer. Your problem is that you have no answers to the problems. And at the same time you honestly beleive that everyone else is wrong and you are right.

    If you avoid answering questions presented to you because you have made a stand point demanding the truth....do not be suprised when people just think you are the village idiot!

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    Althrough is a different topic, I was just asking, anyway, the vikings invaded the island in the 8th century, there wasent even a country there, only separated kingdoms. [/B]
    Sounds alot like the Middle East doesn't it?

    Simon

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    Originally posted by nozol
    Any law that conflicts with the laws of God, which are solid, clear and strictly followed, which consequently means order, not chaos, in the muslim world, any other law is considered an anti-God law.

    As I said, it is impossible to understand muslims, without actucally trying to understand them.
    It almost sounds like the Muslims themselves have trouble understanding themselves let alone asking the rest of us to understand them.

    I'm not sure the "laws of God" are so solid, clear or strictly followed, you do of course realize these laws were created by man in the name of God right? This is part of the problem with the Muslim religion in my eyes, it seems to be a system that will stagnate progress because the entire following is too scared to make any changes because it might go against "God".

    It also apparently has a built in "no questions" clause, if one even dares to question the Muslim religion then that person could be killed for it.

    Does the Koran also say that non-believers should be tolorated AND taxed? If I'm not mistaken foreigners in Yemen are taxed if they are non-Muslim. Of course I also believe the option is still in there to just kill non-believers too if they won't convert.

    Religion is the opiate of the masses, it is a controlling system used by many over the centuries. Islam rose to power since it offered more to the poor people according to the History Channel stuff I watched.

    I'm more of a sit on the sidelines guy (agnostic) but I do like to learn about the various belief systems we have on the planet right now and in the past, I do find Islam interesting but I do have trouble with how strict people are too their religion and especially when if can effect those of us who may not share their views.
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    Originally posted by SimonMc
    You avoid more questions than you answer. Your problem is that you have no answers to the problems. And at the same time you honestly beleive that everyone else is wrong and you are right.

    If you avoid answering questions presented to you because you have made a stand point demanding the truth....do not be suprised when people just think you are the village idiot!

    Simon
    What question am I avoiding?

    What did you say when saddam murdered with gas 5000 plus of his own people?

    Nothing, I was a child when that happened. What the Bush goverment did? gave more money, technological help and a veto on the UN for an santion.

    BTW, those gassed were Kurds. Turkey, still is killing kurdish, and has been doing it for more than 10 years. BUT, is an ally, so, that's allowed, I guess


    What did you say when Bin Laden crashed the jets into the twin towers? Did you celebrate? Were you happy?

    I said that was something that everybody saw come. I wasent happy, I'm never happy when people die.

    What about when the Bosnians decided to commit genocide on their neighbor. What did you say then?
    I'm not very familiar with the situations in the balcans. Guess that you are.
    Care to tell me why the USA again helped to Osama in Albany? He already were accused to be responsible of the Bombs in Somalia.

    How would you solve this crisis and bring peace to the region?
    Do you have an answer to this? I don't. I base what I say in the results. 1 year after of the invasion, the situation is worst then before.

    do not be suprised when people just think you are the village idiot!
    Are you calling me an idiot?
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