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04-03-2004, 11:03 PM #1Aspiring Evangelist
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accepting creditcard?
I was wondering what all do you need to accept credit card, i was going to get modern bill, but do you need anything else to accept it?
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04-03-2004, 11:05 PM #2Problem Solver
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you need a merchant account, 2checkout, worldpay, paysystems etc
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04-03-2004, 11:08 PM #3I'm good with computers.
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The credit card processors that thelinuxguy mentioned work well with ModernBill. Once you sign up for one (or more) of them, you can configure ModernBill to manage the payments with them.
I use 2Checkout, and everything works great for me.
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04-03-2004, 11:16 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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You need a merchat account. Alternatively, you can opt for a third-party payment processor like MyPaySystems (http://www.mypaysystems.com/) or 2Checkout (http://www.2checkout.com/).
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04-04-2004, 01:40 AM #5Junior Guru
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I would suggest considering the amount you are charging. If you are charging a good amount of money every day, I would strongly suggest getting a merchant account with a service like authorize.net as the gateway. These services offer the best rates for credit cards. Visa and Master Card could be as low as %2.1. If you are just wanting to get a feel for the business, and don't anticipate charging a lot of money, you may want to use a service like 2checkout.com. Once you start making a good amount of money, you can always switch to a merchant service.
2checkout.com alows you to accept credit cards without first becomming incorporated which may be better if you are a startup. They can have you setup instantly for $50. At least, thats what it says on the web site.
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04-04-2004, 03:30 AM #6Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by liquidjoel
without first becomming incorporated
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04-04-2004, 03:34 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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Can anybody make a bill for all setup expences from the scratch? Starting with the merchant account and SSL certificate.
PS. This thread seems to pertain to E-Commerce forum.
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04-04-2004, 04:45 AM #8Web Hosting Master
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Here it is:
Billing system (I'll take Modernbill) - $24.95/mo
3rd party processing system (either 2CO or MyPaysystem)- $49/setup
SSL Certificate (I'll take ChainedSSL at EV1, ChainedSSL is not the best but so far the cheapest) - $21.60/year
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04-04-2004, 05:03 AM #9Web Hosting Master
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Thank you. Considering all taxes and fees, what should be my monthly sales, if no more than 8% must be going for maintaining the billing system?
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04-04-2004, 05:35 AM #10Web Hosting Master
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Hi Imago,
At least $27 is needed each month to maintain your billing system.
$27 - 5.5% + $0.45 (I'll take 2CO's charges) = $25.07
$25.07 - $24.95 (Modernbill) = $0.11
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04-04-2004, 06:10 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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Thanks, KKHost.Net
Suppose there are 5 sales mo which makes $3 in terms of 2CO taxes.
$27 + $3 = $30 = 8% - 5.5% = 2.5%
So, I must process $1200 mo sales to be within my 8% processing expenses. If my most popular plan is priced at $10, I should have at least 120 clients to make good for the above billing system.
But 120 clients are already $55, which is not the calculated $3. In the final analysis, the system will never work with my 8%, because 2.5% of $10 are $0.25, not $0.45.
So, the actual cost of this billing system is in all cases more than 10%
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04-04-2004, 06:15 AM #12Web Hosting Master
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Just a note. $0.45 applies on EACH transaction. This is where people usually forget.
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04-04-2004, 06:52 AM #13Web Hosting Master
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Yes, I have calculated it. $0.45 of $10 makes 4.5%, plus those 5.5% = 10% for 2CO only with every $10 sale/transaction
In other words, my plans should be above the $20 line to be compliant with the 8% billing expences req
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04-04-2004, 08:16 AM #14Texan at Heart
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The transaction rate is usually the biggest killer in micropayments. Are you expecting to bring in over $1000 a month? If so, you might check out a merchant account. I do not use ModernBill but from what I remember on here, it comes with a way to set up the payment gateway authorizenet.com and I think a way to get a merchant account from e-online data or someone like that.
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04-04-2004, 09:50 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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Yes, the macroprocessing of microtransactions is killing the idea of microsales. What we need is a international system like the one used by moneybookers, with the ability to accept CC payments.
The ideal would be my own national bank to provide me with the tools to process CC payments from USA and other International cc holders, not to open a merchant accounts in USA, China, or Australia.Last edited by Imago; 04-04-2004 at 09:53 AM.
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04-04-2004, 11:26 AM #16Texan at Heart
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Originally posted by Imago
Yes, the macroprocessing of microtransactions is killing the idea of microsales. What we need is a international system like the one used by moneybookers, with the ability to accept CC payments.
The ideal would be my own national bank to provide me with the tools to process CC payments from USA and other International cc holders, not to open a merchant accounts in USA, China, or Australia.
You have some consumers who try to cheat the merchants, some merchants who try to cheat the processors, no one trusting anyone & Visa/MasterCard always re-defining their rules & regulations.
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04-04-2004, 02:45 PM #17The E-Commerce Answer Guy
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The integral problem with micro-payments rests in the core hard cost that it takes to process a credit card transaction.
Even purely on the Visa/MasterCard Interchange, Dues & Assessments, you're looking at a cost of .10 - .15 per trans plus the discount rate fees which can easily equate to additional pennies or nickels on top of it, even on a low ticket.
Then you have to take into account the network processing costs. If you use an existing front-end or back-end network, which is usually the most cost effective way to do it, then you are still looking at yet another layer of per transactional costs that adds to the effective hard cost.
You could, of course, build your own processing network but this is a significant undertaking that requires a large team of experienced industry veterans w/ industry rapport, IT folks, a vast amount of capital, time and dedication without any guarantees of its long term cost effectiveness.
What would be nice to see would be a new Interchange category specifically for Micro-payments on the VISA/MC New Market side. That would really provide an answer to this problem.
They have Interchange tiers for government purchases, QSR, various forms of travel and very high ticket/corporate purchases but micro-payments would be an interesting area to see them have a good IC pricing level for to help solve this problem.CDGcommerce.com - Trusted Merchant Account Solutions since 1998
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