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    net-trend I luv this>>

    Now this is a good laugh;

    From Net-Trend Terms and Conditions

    "Banned Script(s):
    CGI based forums are NOT allowed on Net-Trend servers as they are known to be resource intensive in usage."

    You must be joking right?
    or don't you have a clue what your talking about?
    A well written perl forum will out perform any
    bloated PHP forum period.
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    i am too lame to read this;-)
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    Re: net-trend I luv this>>

    What's the problem with the TOS? I would agree with them.

    A well written perl forum will out perform any
    bloated PHP forum period.
    Seemingly, it's your turn to be "kidding".

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    The majority of perl scripts are very poorly written and cause resource problems.
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    Preference against using Perl written forums as being too resource intensive is a common complaint in webhosting.

    This often causes problems with YaBB - there are two version out there:

    a Perl-written YaBB SP
    a PHP-driven YaBB SE

    I'm not convinced a lot of hosts know the difference.

    The developers of YaBB SE have since dropped the project to recode it completely as SimpleMachines now, anyway.
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    I can understand fully why providers don't allow CGI based Bulletin Boards - most don't. We don't, because compared to PHP Bulletin Boards, they are way too resource wasteful. Besifes, PHP boards have a lot more development on them nowadays and do a lot more.
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    Both the perl and php versions of Yabb use a ton of resources.
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    We also do not allow cgi based forums. Most do not or if you do you will soon find out the hard way like we did 2 years back.
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    this is a joke, how the heck could a perl based YaBB
    forum that doesn't have a persistent sql db connection,
    that gets maybe 20 posts in a 24 hour period, draw down
    the resources on any server let alone a newer state of the art
    dual proc servers.


    Originally posted by MN-Robert
    Both the perl and php versions of Yabb use a ton of resources.
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    Originally posted by frankie_69
    this is a joke, how the heck could a perl based YaBB
    forum that doesn't have a persistent sql db connection,
    that gets maybe 20 posts in a 24 hour period, draw down
    the resources on any server let alone a newer state of the art
    dual proc servers.
    Because forums usually gain more and more members as time goes on. They are banned from most hosts servers for being inefficient full stop. Use a PHP forum, its much better and at least most hosts will allow it.
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    Hello, i am from the YaBB support community, i have informed the developers about this post and they should have comments to make soon, but i would like to inform you that newer versions of YaBB have been very intensly tested and have actually been found to run at a lower server load than phpBB and use less bandwidth (by more than half) than phpBB.

    It takes 0.3906 seconds for the YaBB 1 Gold SP2 (Beta6) software to generate a page with information from 15 different queries.


    Ok, i admit, YaBB used to be quite a server fecker but we are in the new generation of YaBB, and to prove it... About Web Services use it (about 8 times) on their website, to run support communities for Freeservers.com, BizHost.com etc (all their hosting brands)

    So instead of living in the past, why not actully have a look at the new software that the YaBB team are releasing because its better than you think.

    Thats all i have to say.
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    Re: net-trend I luv this>>

    Originally posted by frankie_69
    Now this is a good laugh;

    From Net-Trend Terms and Conditions

    "Banned Script(s):
    CGI based forums are NOT allowed on Net-Trend servers as they are known to be resource intensive in usage."

    You must be joking right?
    or don't you have a clue what your talking about?
    A well written perl forum will out perform any
    bloated PHP forum period.
    Our TOS is for clients who agree to sign up with us. If you don't agree with them, don't sign up and laugh all you want.
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    Re: Re: net-trend I luv this>>

    Originally posted by net-trend
    Our TOS is for clients who agree to sign up with us. If you don't agree with them, don't sign up and laugh all you want.
    Could not have been put better
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    Also wanted to say, funny you signed up just to post that. I have a deep suspicion it has to do with a deleted thread a few days ago.
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    Our TOS is for clients who agree to sign up with us. If you don't agree with them, don't sign up and laugh all you want.
    A very smart reply indeed.
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    It takes 0.3906 seconds for the YaBB 1 Gold SP2 (Beta6) software to generate a page with information from 15 different queries.
    That is hardly en efficient snapshot of a forum page request.
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    Difference between Perl and PHP

    PHP, like JSP and ASP, just launchs one interpreter in memory not matter how many clients are calling the scripts in the same time, while each time a Perl CGI script was called, the server has to launch a new Perl interpreter in memory unless you installed the mod_perl module and revise your Perl script to use that module. That's one of the reasons why most Perl CGI scripts cause higher server load than PHP.
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    Okay, since everyone seems to enjoy bashing YaBB SE, I'm going to address a couple posts directly. Oh, qualifications? You want my background for why I feel qualified to speak on this? Okay, how's this? I manage several different message boards and have worked on several different sites. I've converted phpBB2 forums to YaBB SE, I've converted DP forums to YaBB SE, I've converted YaBB SE forums to SMF (the next generation software). I've been involved with YaBB SE (and now SMF) for over a year now. I know the coding for YaBB SE like the back of my hand. I've written a few different CMS systems that integrate with both SMF and YaBB SE. Qualified enough? Good.
    Originally posted by MN-Robert
    Both the perl and php versions of Yabb use a ton of resources.
    I'll stack YaBB SE 1.5.1 and up as well as any version of SMF up against vBulletin, phpBB, Invision, UBB and just about any other message board software you can throw out there, and it'll still outperform it, hands down. Resource wise, server load wise. Feature wise is still being worked on, though it's on a great run right now. I normally don't disagree with you on many things, this is one of them that I have. I've run all different boards during my online tenure, and am quite pleased AND happy with YSE/SMF.

    Originally posted by frankie_69
    this is a joke, how the heck could a perl based YaBB
    forum that doesn't have a persistent sql db connection,
    that gets maybe 20 posts in a 24 hour period, draw down
    the resources on any server let alone a newer state of the art
    dual proc servers.
    It's called Page Creation, any time someone makes a new post. It still takes resources to generate a brand new page and update links with the new page information. If you've got a smaller forum, no biggie. If you have a larger than small forum, Houston, we've got a problem. I won't allow CGI forums on my servers, either, though I do need to update my TOS to reflect that. net-trend's a smart man, you should also read what the other hosts here are saying as well.
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    what are you smoking

    Originally posted by net-trend
    Also wanted to say, funny you signed up just to post that. I have a deep suspicion it has to do with a deleted thread a few days ago.
    net-trend:
    it sounds to me like your are an over worked paraniod reseller.
    had you bothered to look at my profile, you would have seen i
    simply joined to post about dot5hosting. or did you
    figure you could just insult me with lies on this thread and
    nobody would bother to look at my profile?

    i was a reseller and had a few sites of my own hosted with dot5.
    as i said i joined here to post some info on dot5 for the others that
    had problems with dot5 to read, thats all.

    and of course since i am moving all of my accounts i have been
    reading threads here to find a new host/reseller account.

    your site was one of many that i have been reviewing. and if you
    reread my comment i simply stated that i would rather run a
    well
    written perl forum, than a php forum. i didn't even mention
    a name. i was speaking in programming terms and from sysadmin point of view.
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    Obviously not all CGI based scripts are resource munchers, but there's a huge number that are, meaning for a host, it's a much safer bet to disallow them from the start rather than spending time looking for the one that's causing the problem when your server load goes bananas.

    PHP based forums are generally more efficent than any equivalent CGI boards and for most simple CGI scripts there's usually a PHP alternative that'll do a similar job.
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    ugh, i would not want that guy as my client!

    with all the forum boards out there, why choose the worst one anyways??

    its nonsensical
    if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
    eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
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    Would that be the same Douglas who travelled the YaBB SE forums with a marching bear avatar?
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    That's great that YaBB can load pages marginally faster than phpBB. Congrats to the YaBB development team.

    But that's not the problem. The problem is that YaBB hogs system resources. If you have a busy YaBB forum where there are 10-20 sessions going at once for an extended period of time, YaBB sill start hanging processes for up to an hour, each one keeping the processor going at full tilt.

    I am a yabb-friendly hosting provider but I am not ignorant to the software's problems. I have to monitor my servers constantly for hung YaBB processes.

    Most YaBB forums work fine, but of course most aren't that busy.
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    Originally posted by I, Brian
    Would that be the same Douglas who travelled the YaBB SE forums with a marching bear avatar?
    Brian, of course. I'm on several different sites, either as Douglas or The Bear.

    gippah, are you talking about YaBB (Perl) or YaBB SE (PHP)? I've actually noticed that my resources have gotten lower (better performance) since I switched a few sites around.
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    Re: what are you smoking

    Originally posted by frankie_69
    net-trend:
    it sounds to me like your are an over worked paraniod reseller.
    had you bothered to look at my profile, you would have seen i
    simply joined to post about dot5hosting.
    I noticed you work on the Aussie timezone. You and your friend (yourself?), the one who posted 30 minutes after you did. Both signed up recently and posted about dot5 although the other "nick" had some comments for ipowerweb as well.

    It bears so much resemblance to that of the deleted thread, that is why I'm so suspicious. I think i'm paranoid too.
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