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    Costing out sign design

    Hi peeps,

    Just after some advice on this one really. Ok I am no coder and I dont do design (stick men are my limit) but I need a site designing and I need to work out a rough costing for it.

    The site would be 95% database driven, with perhaps only 7/8 pages that pull data out and format it on the page (format yet to be decided ) This would be the mainstay of the site. The other ones (about 4/5) would be static in nature.

    There would also have to be a few backend pages to modify the database, ie add descriptions/drop down menus etc,

    Now I dont want flash/plugin needed stuff but I want a nice clean colourful design, something that stands out and is easy to navigate. It also needs to be as quick as possible with high bandwidth in mind. Ie no fancy useless stuff

    I also have the database mapped out in normalised form but im not too handy with MySQL/PHP etc. The database could be very large indeed, I would invisage > 1 GB and perhaps growing by the same size every month. (roughly)

    How much should I expect to pay to have the database put into MySQL and the pages coded in PHP from scatch ?

    Is it also reasonable to expect them to sign a NDA with a Non competition clause ?

    I realise good != cheap but I dont want to pay over the odds

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    You need to tell more:
    How many field and query type (just displaying etc..)?
    Who put the 1gb of data, the user, an automatic script, you or someone else?

    a good design will cost you around 150$.
    For PHP/Mysql work you can expect 20-30$ per hour for a decent service (and you surely need some days of work).
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    Why not pay someone to do you a nice template and run it on top of gpl cms script like phpwebsite, mambo or e107?
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    The queries themselves are quite complex, pulling data. Several different "parts" to the data that make up one record, and several records per page (lots of SQL joins). The queries themselves are going to be split approx 70/30 in for read only and the other 30% for updates.

    These record sets then need to be able to be extensable, ie someone can add a comment or review the item in question. Basically it is a specialised review site that reviews items and people need to be able to comment on them and review by geographic areas

    As for the 1GB of data, it will be given to someone else to do (got a company to do the data entry for me)

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    The ability to add comments or reviews or even entirely new items is pretty common to most cms scripts. I'm certainly not trying to rain on your parade, but sometimes it is better to work smarter, not harder.
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    Originally posted by Gade Terbob
    The ability to add comments or reviews or even entirely new items is pretty common to most cms scripts. I'm certainly not trying to rain on your parade, but sometimes it is better to work smarter, not harder.
    +1

    But make the exact specification, choosing the best CMS for it, installing, configuring, testing, make some modification for specific purpose, can't be done in one hour

    And with 1GB per month of new data in the database, he need a pretty bad optimisation work.
    This work can be done later, but you have to think a little about that before.

    He can do most of it himself, if he has time and if he likes to do it.
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    a good design will cost you around 150$.
    What country are you from? x 6.3 and you have a more accurate figure
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    why not actually ask the developers you are looking to have it designed by? if you leave here thinking it will cost $500 and when you approach a developer he says it costs $5000 then you will probably say no, then realize that the $5000 is a really cheap quote for that project (after realizing everyone else will quote more).


    look for local design studios and online ones, provide them with a RFP (request for proposal) and see what the prices are and what they will do. it doesnt matter what people here say they think the price is, all that matters is what the developer says and whether or not you accept.
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    Originally posted by 4 Degrees
    What country are you from? x 6.3 and you have a more accurate figure
    I'm french (not india), and it cost even more here (450$ per day of work for the smaller price).

    I agree with you that a really good design cost pretty much. But you can find good design on WHT for that price (maybe 200$) from talented starter. But that's not risk free
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    There are few very talented willing to work that cheap. The problem is they don't research it or follow guidelines very well. Those you pay more for do more in depth research and revisions, along with additional help through out your websites life span.

    They are also generally freelancers looking to make extra money and don't care how well your site does (not in all cases).
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    The going rate for a quality PHP developer is US$90-US$120 per hour.

    I'd say set aside $5000 for the PHP work, maybe more to be safe.

    For the design, sure you can buy one for $200, but ask yourself these questions:

    Will it work in all browsers?
    Is it w3c compliant?
    Is it easy to edit?
    Does it load quickly while still looking good?
    Does it look good on different monitor settings?
    Is it good for all screen resolutions?
    Is all the stock imagery legal?
    Can people still navigate if they are colourblind?


    When you factor all those things into the equation, i'd say you're talking $3,000 - $5,000 for something high quality. I guarentee that 99% of templates sold here don't fit even half of those specifications.
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    Originally posted by phision.com


    When you factor all those things into the equation, i'd say you're talking $3,000 - $5,000 for something high quality. I guarentee that 99% of templates sold here don't fit even half of those specifications.
    I Guarantee that 99% of the people here don't fit that budget

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    If you want a professional design, the price can be anywhere from $300.00 to $10,000.00, but I don't think $10,000 is in your budget, lol.

    Matt

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