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    Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    A man who stabbed to death an armed intruder at his home was jailed for eight years today.
    http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2687311



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    Interesting. So had the armed intruder NOT be stabbed, he would have/could have killed the owner. Nice.
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    unfair

    he must have gotten some of these dorks on his jury.

    http://www.inminds.co.uk/stopbush-1-20nov03.html

    here in the terrible us of a - he would have been a hero for teaching the criminals a lesson. this is definately a perverse miscarriage of justice and sends the criminals a message - "terrorize our citizens - if they do anything about it - we will punish them accordingly and severly".

    this court will be the laughing stock of the world.
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    Our system is terrible, not far from where I live someone was shot with a shotgun in a drive by, the shooter got 5 years!!

    He shouldn't of been jailed, the intruder shouldn't of been there and he wouldn't of got killed, simple. Our system needs changing.
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    Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    Originally posted by Rob83
    Interesting. So had the armed intruder NOT be stabbed, he would have/could have killed the owner. Nice.
    It's called using reasonable force, repeatedly stabbing someone with a sword is someway beyond reasonable force.
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    Re: Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    Originally posted by bagpuss
    It's called using reasonable force, repeatedly stabbing someone with a sword is someway beyond reasonable force.
    anyone coming in my house tyring to rob me is going to have very unreasonable force used on them.

    I cheer the guy - thats some nice samurai whoop a55.

    I wonder if he did the japanese movie - mouth moving and then the words coming out differently routine as he told them - I am aobut to cut you in to little pieces -wwwaaaaaaaaaa - hiya.
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    Originally posted by 4 Degrees
    Our system is terrible, not far from where I live someone was shot with a shotgun in a drive by, the shooter got 5 years!!

    He shouldn't of been jailed, the intruder shouldn't of been there and he wouldn't of got killed, simple. Our system needs changing.
    Have I missed something here? You say someone was shot in a drive by, the dude got five years but shouldn't have? Why? Is it his job to "drive by" and shoot all suspected intruders?
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    Just poor grammar I suspect, mouse. I think he meant the shooter should have got more than 5 years, while this guy got 8, which is a travesty of justice in his opinion.

    Hey, an English degree comes in handy sometimes you know!
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    Re: Re: Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    Originally posted by sailor
    I cheer the guy - thats some nice samurai whoop a55.

    I wonder if he did the japanese movie - mouth moving and then the words coming out differently routine as he told them - I am aobut to cut you in to little pieces -wwwaaaaaaaaaa - hiya.
    LOL, me too. He should get a medal, too bad he didn't have time to hack the other 3 up.
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    Re: Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    Originally posted by bagpuss
    It's called using reasonable force, repeatedly stabbing someone with a sword is someway beyond reasonable force.
    While there is a thin line between "self-defense" and "domestic violence", if you come into my house, Imma whoop your ***. I mean I don't care how much damange the owner did to the intruders body, he had NO BUSINESS entering the home.
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    That's what I like about Texas. They dont have to get in your house before you do something, they only have to step on the property.....and you dont have to drag them into the house.

    Texas has the Self Defense Law. You can defend with any and all means of lethal force at your disposal if you feel you, your family, or your property is in danger.

    An example of a law that borders on right/wrong, you can shoot anyone, even a tow driver, who is attempting to repo your vehicle. The law basically states the repo guy cannot shoot back. Several repo guys have died just in Houston. I myself would never shoot a repo guy for doing his job, but I would make sure his truck wont be going anywhere.

    An armed intruder would quickly have 5 German Sheperds on his butt to buy me time while I go grab my guns.

    It would be lethal all the way bud.. To bad my property doesnt include the street, else I would do something about that guy driving around my area at 2AM every morning blasting his music..

    Those courts are wrong. In eight years, he'll probably be found innocent, and be sent a bill... Looks like Britain is going all to pieces... and Brits tell us we need to control OUR government...heh
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    Re: Re: Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    Originally posted by Rob83
    While there is a thin line between "self-defense" and "domestic violence", if you come into my house, Imma whoop your ***. I mean I don't care how much damange the owner did to the intruders body, he had NO BUSINESS entering the home.
    No he has no business entering your home, that's why the law allows you to use reasonable force to stop / restrain him, not for you to determine that he deserves a death sentence for entering your home.
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    Originally posted by bagpuss
    No he has no business entering your home, that's why the law allows you to use reasonable force to stop / restrain him, not for you to determine that he deserves a death sentence for entering your home.
    You break into my house, I'll defend myself.. if that means that I accidently pull the trigger 50 times and make you look like swish cheese.. well.. you shouldn't have tried to break into my house
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    Originally posted by Rob83
    You break into my house, I'll defend myself.. if that means that I accidently pull the trigger 50 times and make you look like swish cheese.. well.. you shouldn't have tried to break into my house
    Personally I don't want to break into your house or anybody elses, but as you don't seem to live in Britain then this case doesn't really apply to you does it.
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    Originally posted by bagpuss
    Personally I don't want to break into your house or anybody elses, but as you don't seem to live in Britain then this case doesn't really apply to you does it.
    Damn straight I don't.
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    As an American, Brits are our Allies, and many of us are friends. It doesnt matter if myself, Rob, or any other person lives there or not. It still bothers us that the Brit government could possibly do such things to friends. So yes, it does apply to us. Maybe not on a legal level, but on a friendship level it certainly does.
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    Originally posted by Webdude
    As an American, Brits are our Allies, and many of us are friends. It doesnt matter if myself, Rob, or any other person lives there or not. It still bothers us that the Brit government could possibly do such things to friends. So yes, it does apply to us. Maybe not on a legal level, but on a friendship level it certainly does.
    But I'll still kill you if you come into my house!
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    Originally posted by Rob83
    But I'll still kill you if you come into my house!
    You dont have anything I want. But thanks for the warning, I will wait till no-one is there. I like Mrs Bairds bread, Peter Pan creamy peanut butter, and grape jelly. So at least make sure you get some of that before I break in.
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    Over here (Britain), if you, for example, have missing stairs in the staircase, and an intruder injures himself on them, he can sue you for ABH.
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    Originally posted by Webdude
    As an American, Brits are our Allies, and many of us are friends. It doesnt matter if myself, Rob, or any other person lives there or not. It still bothers us that the Brit government could possibly do such things to friends. So yes, it does apply to us. Maybe not on a legal level, but on a friendship level it certainly does.
    Fair enough, but I didn't really mean it doesn't concern him because he lives in America, but that he is talking about case in Britain, so the fact that his answer is to pull out a gun, really doesn't apply to the case in question.
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    Are material possessions really worth more than a human life? life?
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    I was gonna say "How many more must die before we ban Samurai swords!"

    I thought it was funny, but did a google on it out of curiousity, check out this article on Australia, lol.
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E7583,00.html
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    Originally posted by Webdude
    You dont have anything I want. But thanks for the warning, I will wait till no-one is there. I like Mrs Bairds bread, Peter Pan creamy peanut butter, and grape jelly. So at least make sure you get some of that before I break in.
    Sure! Do you want me to leave a glass of milk and cookis too?
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    Originally posted by bagpuss
    No he has no business entering your home, that's why the law allows you to use reasonable force to stop / restrain him, not for you to determine that he deserves a death sentence for entering your home.
    here is the other problem - they were armed - should the guy say - ok - I am now going to hit you once and kick you once and throw the frying pan at you. then I will assess the situation (if you have not shot me dead yet) then if you are still coming - I am going to hit you again. then maybe stab you in the leg with my sword - but only in a certain area as to not puncutre any arteries. now if your friends are still coming - and hopefully they have not made it to the other parts of the house to hurt the wife of kids - then I probably need to poke you in the eye - buyt only hard enough to hurt 0- becasue I dont want to blind you.

    oh forget it...thats too hard - they have proabbly killed you - cut your kids heads off and are now raping your wife to no end while they load the bakc of their car with your stuff.

    hmmmm..yeah I will spend the time in court (maybe even jail) nd you are screwed when you set foot in my house if I have a say in it.

    thats what the extra clip is for. do you think they wont kill you if you get out of line while they are robbing you.


    argh - lol - another thought.

    maybe if we could put up neighborhoods with all the liberals that dont want to hurt any one and lable them as such - the robbers would all go there- then we can let the insurance rates be high there to cover the losses. we can set up neighborhoods that say - we all have guns and will kill you if you rob us and if we dont - our neighbor will get you as you come out of the house - I bet no one would rob that neighborhood. lol
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    Originally posted by phision.com
    Over here (Britain), if you, for example, have missing stairs in the staircase, and an intruder injures himself on them, he can sue you for ABH.
    a man in america was trapped in a garage over a weekend when he tried to break into a womans house. he survived on cat/dog food and bottled water for 3-7 days IIRC and then sued her for pain and suffering.
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    I see myself as a socialist liberal. I see no shame in fighting for the right of the common man, and the interests of the common good.

    I am also British - a nation notorious (in recent years) for wet liberalism.

    I can neither fire a gun, nor wield a knife.

    I am also moving to Texas. And I am looking forward to it. I will finally have the right to defend my property and mine and my family's lives as they should be defended without fear of going to prison.

    Quote Originally Posted by worldUK
    Are material possessions really worth more than a human life? life?
    No. But is my family's life worth more to me than a thief's? Damn right it is. I'll protect me and mine thank you.

    Maybe this guy did go over the top stabbing the thief a good few times, but put yourself in his shoes: Wouldn't you? I know I would...just to be on the safe side, and to show his mates I meant business!

    Will I own a gun when I get to the US? Yes. Will I be responsible with it? Obviously. Would I use it? I sincerely hope it would never come to that.

    Just don't put it to the test...
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    I live in the great USA, and have all the rights described above but I choose not to own a hand gun, or rile or samuri sword.

    I do choose, however, to own a big 4 D CELL Mag light that would knock the crap out of a full grown cow.

    You bring it to my house, I bring it to your head. End of story.
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    Originally posted by sailor
    here is the other problem - they were armed - should the guy say - ok - I am now going to hit you once and kick you once and throw the frying pan at you. then I will assess the situation (if you have not shot me dead yet) then if you are still coming - I am going to hit you again. then maybe stab you in the leg with my sword - but only in a certain area as to not puncutre any arteries. now if your friends are still coming - and hopefully they have not made it to the other parts of the house to hurt the wife of kids - then I probably need to poke you in the eye - buyt only hard enough to hurt 0- becasue I dont want to blind you.

    Looking at it another way these guys sole intention may have been to rob the place and this guy that used the sword could of ended up with bullet through his head for the sake of his TV.

    Either way if they had wanted to shoot him he would be dead, sword or frying pan.
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    Originally posted by worldUK
    Are material possessions really worth more than a human life? life?
    It's not only the material possessions, it's also what it represents, your sweat and sacrifice.

    But that's the small of it. You also neglect to mention that not every criminal breaking into a home is there to steal material possessions, many go to rape and murder, and you can't replace your wife's dignity, trust, or life. Unless you can scan buglars mind's for their intent, can you?

    So, by that token, a box of tic-tacs is worth more than a human life, if that box of tic-tacs happens to be in my house.
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

    Originally posted by bagpuss
    Looking at it another way these guys sole intention may have been to rob the place and this guy that used the sword could of ended up with bullet through his head for the sake of his TV.

    Either way if they had wanted to shoot him he would be dead, sword or frying pan.
    they were armed - if they did not want to shoot him they hsould not have come armed. basically he got the drop on them - scared the other guys into running because they saw their friend get impaled on the sword of jusitice.

    good on him - he may have saved his own life by being so agressive.

    I remember the lady who lost her daughter in a Luby's cafeteria shooting in plano waco in the 80's and she could only say I wish someone would have had a gun to stop this guy.

    remember - the when guns are outlawed - ony the outlaws will ahve them and those are the ones that use them for bad purposes. and as we see with the sword - its not just guns that kill - its all kinds of weapons - but most imporantly - the weapon does not kill - the person behind it does.

    I am happy to own whatever I want. in fact I ahve several assault rifles and tactical handguns. guess - what - they are the safest weapons out there because they are in my hands and not in the hands of a criminal and as such the cost of goods in my house for a criminal is very high compared to the cost of goods in a non armed household - simple economics.

    what happened to the thread on public exexcutions when you need it??
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    He stabbed him 4 times?
    I think thats beyond self defence.
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Brit Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

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    they were armed - if they did not want to shoot him they hsould not have come armed.
    Why? Plenty of criminals use guns (or even replicas) for control, with no real intention of using them.

    Originally posted by sailor

    good on him - he may have saved his own life by being so agressive.
    And he may well of been shot by being aggressive.

    Originally posted by sailor

    remember - the when guns are outlawed - ony the outlaws will ahve them and those are the ones that use them for bad purposes. and as we see with the sword - its not just guns that kill - its all kinds of weapons - but most imporantly - the weapon does not kill - the person behind it does.
    Except of course in countries where guns control is tight, the use of guns by criminals is a tiny fraction of those who live in countries where guns are legal. As for the weapon, true to a certain extent, except it's very difficult to massacre people with a cricket bat.

    Originally posted by sailor

    I am happy to own whatever I want. in fact I ahve several assault rifles and tactical handguns.
    What a suprise.
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    why is it surprising?

    bagpuss - what country are you from (serious question - just curious - no hidden agenda by asking).

    why is it not surprising that I own several weapons? why should I be restricted from something that i am not irresponsible with because some other person is?

    Why? Plenty of criminals use guns (or even replicas) for control, with no real intention of using them.
    ok - this is weak - you can do better than that. even if they are unarmed - they can still do harm and are still going to get shot - because I am not going to take the chance in aksing them or trusting them in finding out if they are in my house and potentially endangering me - which I wont know till I immobilize the threat.

    And he may well of been shot by being aggressive.

    well - he may have been shot for seeing them or just out of plain meanness (sp?) - happens all the time.

    I also happen to favor legalizing drugs. now I bet that is surprising. I look at it the same way as guns. if you are going to use them to hurt yourself .....oh well - no harm no foul - your problem. get people registered an under care. we are not going to stop them - only will criminalize them and turn people into criminals - so lets make taxes on them - clean the quality up so we actually protect people who are going to use them irregardless and spend the money on education. then they will be cheap and studies have proven legalization only causes a very minor rise in usage rates which can certainly be combatted in my opinion with treatment and prevention dollars instead of incarceration and punishment $$.

    then we would also run a lot of crime out of society because (ccorrecet me if I am wrong -) over half of crime is drug related because it is lucrative to sell them and you need to steal to feed the habbit.

    surprised by that one?

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    Re: why is it surprising?

    Originally posted by sailor
    bagpuss - what country are you from (serious question - just curious - no hidden agenda by asking).
    Britain, England to be more precise.

    Originally posted by sailor

    why is it not surprising that I own several weapons? why should I be restricted from something that i am not irresponsible with because some other person is?
    It's not suprising you own a gun given that you seem to very pro the idea of owning one to protect your house and I am assuming you are in America, so it's legal to own them. (sorry if I've assumed wrong).

    I never said you should be restricted, I just think murdering someone for robbing a house is excessive.

    Originally posted by sailor

    ok - this is weak - you can do better than that.
    No it's not weak, when it comes to the use of guns, the UK is a very different place from the US, in the UK more replica guns are used than real ones in crime, the number of homocides compared to the US is tiny and if you take out drug related shootings from that you are left with a very small number indeed, you are very, very unlikely to be shot in the UK, even by people who are armed.

    Originally posted by sailor

    well - he may have been shot for seeing them or just out of plain meanness (sp?) - happens all the time.
    It might happen all the time in the US, not in the UK, I believe a couple of years ago the US homocide figure from guns was over 11,000 and from the same year it in the UK it was 68.

    Originally posted by sailor

    I also happen to favor legalizing drugs.

    surprised by that one?
    Not suprised, but I am pleasantly refreshed by it.
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    I see myself as a socialist liberal. I see no shame in fighting for the right of the common man, and the interests of the common good.

    I am also British - a nation notorious (in recent years) for wet liberalism.

    I can neither fire a gun, nor wield a knife.

    I am also moving to Texas. And I am looking forward to it. I will finally have the right to defend my property and mine and my family's lives as they should be defended without fear of going to prison.

    Quote Originally Posted by worldUK
    Are material possessions really worth more than a human life? life?
    No. But is my family's life worth more to me than a thief's? Damn right it is. I'll protect me and mine thank you.

    Maybe this guy did go over the top stabbing the thief a good few times, but put yourself in his shoes: Wouldn't you? I know I would...just to be on the safe side, and to show his mates I meant business!

    Will I own a gun when I get to the US? Yes. Will I be responsible with it? Obviously. Would I use it? I sincerely hope it would never come to that.

    Just don't put it to the test...
    Well stabbing him once = self defence, stabbing him 4 times = murder!

    Take tony martin for example, he shot a burglar who was running away from the house with a shotgun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worldUK
    Well stabbing him once = self defence, stabbing him 4 times = murder!
    No. Manslaughter.

    He had no wilful intention of killing the intruder. Therefore it's manslaughter. A different kettle of fish entirely.

    I stand up for anyone who defends their property/family. I'd argue you'd do the same if you were put in the same situation. Blood is worth more than some toerag who shouldn't have been there in the first place.

    (and all this from a socialist liberal....sheesh! )
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    God Bless that I live in Texas. I have 3 Samarui swords and 1 - 15" priecing Roman Dagger. I'd likes to see that guy enter my house. He wouldn't just have 4 stab wounds. His head would be cut off and piked and will his body... feed the hungry humand steaks sliced by a samarui sword? You know its ironic because my grandma and I just talked about this 2 weeks ago. I told her if anyone ever tried to break into our house i'll give them the count of 3 and then i'm swinging both Samarui Swords at they're head.
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    Alot of the americans in this thread seem very gungho about killing people. I'd wager none of you have any idea what it is like to take a life by violant force at close range and plenty of you wouldn't be able to deal with the mental scars that came with that.
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    Originally posted by Umbongo
    Alot of the americans in this thread seem very gungho about killing people. I'd wager none of you have any idea what it is like to take a life by violant force at close range and plenty of you wouldn't be able to deal with the mental scars that came with that.
    You obviously do not know what you speak of.
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