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  1. #26
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    If you read my article on reselers you'll see that I try to see things from both sides of the fence. And yes.. it all started with the resellers article, but other than that it has nothing to do with it.

    I wanted to talk about anonymity in that article, which I already did, just not uploaded the new version yet. (OK, I uploaded it now so you'll be able to see it in the "new version") I knew one or two things about anonymity and I shared them in that article.

    Then I decided to read more about it because I found the issue interesting, especially the fact that (say) 99% of resellers can be spotted. Since I love these boards I decided to ask about it here.
    Should I have known it will become such an issue I would've refrained from posting my question. Just joking...

    Now back to the topic: Lauren, do you have anything to add to what Fred and Anand have told me? I would appreciate it very much. Thanks!

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    ya, how come im not on your honest list!
    if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
    eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
    contrary to popular belief - no attorney is necessary!

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    LOL. That list is not and never will be complete (it's impossible to do or claim such a thing). I have a "to do" list of over 30 companies, not all of them listed on my "up to" file.

    I'm just a man and my time is limited. Besides, I find that it's much more important for my visitors to write informative articles than searching for reviews.

    Tell me your company's name (I can't be expected to know everyone's company, but I do that know you manage to put some the most "difficult" questions around ) and I'll add it to my "to do" queue and maybe to the honest hosts list too when I'll have the time.

    Now, Lauren, do you have anything to add to what Fred and Anand have told me, and be on topic? As I said. I'm genuinely interested in spotting reseller techniques. With these private detective skills of yours you must know a few things about it! Thanks!

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    emails... check the email headers

    for example, all my resellers email headers would somewhere include critical.laurenstephens.net
    if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
    eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
    contrary to popular belief - no attorney is necessary!

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    Nice for anonymity.
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    Originally posted by ldcdc
    OK! Good tip. Thanks for sharing!
    No, not really. Most serious reseller hosts make sure their servers have anonymous names but there is only so far that one can go with that. Server hostnames are mentioned on a host's forums and they get spidered in Google. So the easiest way to find out is to Google the hostname.
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  8. #33
    Many reseller providers use anonymous name servers. And dnsreports won't be able to catch that.

    EDIT: Hah, I had the window open but didn't reply until later. Seems like Laurence beat me to it.
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    Originally posted by NexDog
    Nice for anonymity.
    it was just an example

    i dont do the reseller thing and yes it WOULD be anonymous since it isnt a site or hosting site



    dont you ever stop?
    if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
    eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
    contrary to popular belief - no attorney is necessary!

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    But how about tose hosts that don't have a forum, Laurence? I'm looking for a way to cover 99% of the resellers...

    Anyway... I think I get it why hosts don't want to share this kind of info (it's already obvious for me that most are refraining from posting such sensitive info), but I still hope that others will have the time and the courage to say more about it. I don't necessarely want clear examples, with real domains. I just need clear instructions. Thanks everyone! (I'm going to sleep now. Can't wait to get up and see what others will post here. It's 6 am where I live. LOL )

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    Well, if you don't have resellers, what you "would" do is not what other reseller DO do.
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  12. #37
    Originally posted by ldcdc
    Tell me your company's name (I can't be expected to know everyone's company, but I do that know you manage to put some the most "difficult" questions around ) and I'll add it to my "to do" queue and maybe to the honest hosts list too when I'll have the time.
    HiyaCorp

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    Originally posted by NexDog
    Well, if you don't have resellers, what you "would" do is not what other reseller DO do.
    ok, ill put it like this, every reseller ive had an account with was unable to prevent someone elses domain being in all my email headers
    if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
    eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
    contrary to popular belief - no attorney is necessary!

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    That's true, because mail servers do reverse dns lookups on the sending mail server within the HELO statement. That's why the hostname needs to be anonymous as possible.

    But the fact is that no reseller is anonymous. If you spend 20 minutes using various tools and methods, you can find out anything about any host.
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    ok then can you explain your statement that what i would do isnt what others would do?? what would be the difference...

    as stated, i was just making an example...
    if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
    eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
    contrary to popular belief - no attorney is necessary!

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    The difference is that hosts would use an anonymous name for their servers and not the name of their hosting service.
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    ok and so what does that have to do with me??

    i dont use the name of my hosting service.
    if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
    eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
    contrary to popular belief - no attorney is necessary!

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    Okay, enough is enough.
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    thats what i thought...
    if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
    eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
    contrary to popular belief - no attorney is necessary!

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    *yawns*
    if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
    eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
    contrary to popular belief - no attorney is necessary!

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    I think www.dnsreport.com is your best bet.
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    Hmmm... quite a fight there. Luckily some things were on topic.

    But the fact is that no reseller is anonymous. If you spend 20 minutes using various tools and methods, you can find out anything about any host.
    This is exactly the kind of thing I've heard, Laurence. Care to share these tools?

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    Originally posted by pixel_fenix
    In terms of network but resellers can and have offered better support than their main host.
    This is untrue. Most resellers will be doing hosting on top of a full time job or school in some cases so they are not able to offer the support that a full time web host offers.. just my 2 cents.

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    Hi Folks

    If this is to far off topic, please tell me, and I'll delete or
    change it...

    Anyway, I understand where Paul-ukhost is coming from, although
    I would not agree 100% with the statement.

    As a reseller myself, I personally looked for small companies who
    have either:

    1) Progressed from a reseller themselves, and now have they're
    own dedicated servers, and offer reseller plans.
    2) Simply, they are a small budding company, a reseller themselves.

    Now, I don't mean to come across as an idiot, or mouthy
    American here, and if you take it that way, I apologize up front.

    Here are my personal reason's for doing so:

    1) I firmly support our American way

    Part of being an American is the freedom to start your own
    small business on a shoe-string budget. It is one of the many
    reason's (IMHO) that makes America great. So, I tend to look
    for the small business man or woman who puts forth the effort,
    and I will purchase my products through them, and help to
    support our why of life. Without small business, America, and
    American's are lost...

    2) I truly believe in my heart, you get what you give

    I really honestly believe if all you do is look for the steals, and
    deals, that's what you get in return. I run one of my websites
    on a host that charges $59.95 a month for 500 MB space, and
    30 GB bandwidth, simply because they are very small, and
    the customer service is un-stoppable. And I do mean, un-stoppable!

    As a small Internet business owner myself, I try, and I work as
    hard as I can to please my customers. I personally ended a truck
    driving career here in the States that was paying me $50,000 +
    a year. I now dedicate every waking moment to my small net
    businesses. I work 12-16 hours a day, and then some. And I
    have found many others that do the same.

    I believe most small Internet business owners do the same,
    (American or Otherwise) although I cannot offer you charts,
    and statistics, I can only offer you my personal experience with
    these small business owners.

    If ldcdc shows up at my "little web hosting" website, and
    simply asks me if I'm working through a reseller program, I will
    respond with a simple "Yes, I am". If this person, or anyone else
    for that matter, wants to know more, I'll tell them. I don't want
    customers that do not support my beliefs to begin with. I have
    found that most people looking for steals-n-deals are a true
    pain in the butt anyway.

    Honest people simply want honesty. And most honest people
    will pay a little extra to the honest company (web hosting
    or not) for the peace of mind, and to support honesty in
    general...

    Oops, sorry, I've carried on far to long...

    No, I will not give an address to any of my Internet businesses
    here. I'm not here to advertise, and if ldcdc shows up, he
    would be prepared, and so would I, which does not lend itself
    to honesty...

    Just my two cent's.

    Patrick

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