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03-23-2004, 08:36 PM #26Web Hosting Master
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heh, if it's legal, we host them
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03-23-2004, 10:03 PM #27Web Hosting Master
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if it isn't violating your TOS you don't really have a right to terminate the guys account.....
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03-24-2004, 01:08 AM #28Web Hosting Master
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Wow ... We apparently have some very narrow minded folk over here at WHT. Two_A_T is right on the money, and I agree completely with what he has to say.
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03-24-2004, 05:39 AM #29Web Hosting Evangelist
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Preach on brother ewhost!
The service industry isn't the place for cookie n kool aid party descriminatory bulls......
Leave that to Arnold Schwartzeneger and other half-wit politicians. (no offense to the non-halfwits ) If it makes you money - be happy.
Dear god...just imagine how many of your current clients might be....GAY! Sure they may not have a gay site - but you still do business with them! Maybe you should terminate them all and reg the domain heterohosting.com *rolls eyes*
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Preach on brother Devil Inside (hmmm that knocks as an Oxy Moron...Devil...Brother? )
You'll may get away in a simple job to go around with discriminatory views such as blokes with their top off is gay pornography. Here in the UK, our soccer players are always snogging each other's face off and jumping on each others backs. I guess soccer must be gay pornography. I just never knew!
But to apply these views in business is going to wind you up in trouble. Remember no matter what personal view you have, you can guarantee there's a law against it. Lesson to learn is to think before you act. If you are unsure, do your research. Best of all, cover your back (there I go again ).Olly | INX-Gaming
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03-24-2004, 09:17 AM #31Web Hosting Master
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I am personally quite surprised by the attitudes of some WHTers.
Our regular definition of pornography is something that has no other purpose than to stimulate sexual desires. Which means that if you have such material it will be considered porn regardless of the preferences of those in the photos (hetero, bi, homo, etc).
Ask yourself this: If the 2 guys in the pictures were a heterosexual couple instead, does the image still fall under the category of porn? If it does not, then there is absolutely no reason to remove this website from your server. Two_A_T has summed up the argument very nicely, IMHO.
What I find disturbing is that a number of those anti-gay guy advocates who are likely to be found hoarding a stash of lesbian porn just because it 'works' for them while male/male stuff doesn't0
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03-24-2004, 09:30 AM #32Junior Guru Wannabe
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We host a few gay oriented websites, and I'd agree: nudity would constitute pornography, however two guys kissing/being intimate is not pornography.
Simply put, if we received a complaint from anyone regarding the content, I'd be inclined to reply and tell them to get a life.0
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03-24-2004, 11:31 AM #33Web Hosting Master
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On a sidenote, I don't get the whole "gay = discusting" attitude. If you don't like it, avoid it.
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03-24-2004, 11:43 AM #34Disabled
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Dont understand it either.
When a client approaches us for Adult hosting, Adult content is adult content, if they go into more detail about the site design and requirements (Projected disk usage/ Bandwidth requirements) and they happen to mention it will be a gay orientated site, I wouldnt jump up and Scream "EWW", not professional at all.
Some of my clients running a gay orientated web site are not gay themselves, many are happily married and just trying to make money.. They are very professional in what they do, they work with Gay members day in, day out without batting an eyelid.
Im sure they are just as sick as their gay members are with all the discrimination and gay bashing that goes on.
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03-24-2004, 11:43 AM #35Texan at Heart
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Originally posted by DTMark
We host a few gay oriented websites, and I'd agree: nudity would constitute pornography, however two guys kissing/being intimate is not pornography.
Simply put, if we received a complaint from anyone regarding the content, I'd be inclined to reply and tell them to get a life.0
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03-24-2004, 02:22 PM #36Junior Guru Wannabe
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.......... I would stay away from him.
If there's no nudity, it shouldn't be considered porn.As my title says, I'm a wannabe.0
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03-24-2004, 03:01 PM #37Web Hosting Guru
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I would have to say that even if there is no nudity the content that is implied could be considered pornographic. There is a fine line between safe imagry and unsafe.
I don't think that not wanting homosexual content hosted by your company necessarly means the person is homophobic. A sad but true fact of life is that the majority of people are not comfortable with homosexuals. That was proven this year with what President Bush is trying to do. Another fact of life is if you host pornographic, or any controversial content, you will be stereotyped. You may lose business. When you run your own company you have to look after #1.
I understand where people come from when they get angry at such hipocracy. In fact, I'm very much against banning homosexual marriage. However, we aren't talking about civil rights in my opinion. We are talking about what is the best for a business.
Where does the line get drawn? At what controversial content do we say enough is enough? You may not think that pornographic content is "wrong". But some do. Even if it's heterosexual. Does that mean they are heterophobes? What about content where animals are involved? Is that OK? It's all based on personal preference. If YOU run the business then YOU decide what YOU want hosted by it. And if anyone has a problem with that then they can go somewhere else.- Chris
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03-24-2004, 03:14 PM #38Disabled
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Im sorry Nike But i really couldnt disagree more.
People dont like homosexuals... oh yes... thats been proved by insurance companies and such private health services..
But come on... a webhosting company that personally dislikes homosexual adult content... I would rather be inclined to look elsewhere than a company that refuses to be open-minded about their business aspects.
When Hiring employees i dont put on the form "Heterosexuals only", I could honestly care less what sexual orientation my staff are. Im honestly not interested in asking what they do outside the job... i could honestly very much care less.
So why should your clients be discriminated against if they want to host adult content... even a "Gay Male" site? is it really that big a deal? does it cause that much controversiality that you feel you must take it down to save yourself from looking at it..or save yourself from the "Fags" in this world
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03-24-2004, 03:21 PM #39Texan at Heart
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Unfortunately though a lot do. People are getting more & more net savvy. One client who is switching to us (for other reasons) told me that some of her partners were upset because the hosting company she was using did have a few porn sites. There was not too much they could do though at the time.
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Originally posted by 4Hosted
Im sorry Nike But i really couldnt disagree more.
People dont like homosexuals... oh yes... thats been proved by insurance companies and such private health services..
But come on... a webhosting company that personally dislikes homosexual adult content... I would rather be inclined to look elsewhere than a company that refuses to be open-minded about their business aspects.
When Hiring employees i dont put on the form "Heterosexuals only", I could honestly care less what sexual orientation my staff are. Im honestly not interested in asking what they do outside the job... i could honestly very much care less.
So why should your clients be discriminated against if they want to host adult content... even a "Gay Male" site? is it really that big a deal? does it cause that much controversiality that you feel you must take it down to save yourself from looking at it..or save yourself from the "Fags" in this world
Honestly... Grow up....
There is no need to get offensive here. Again, it's a matter of personal preference. If you don't have a problem with the content, or if you don't have a problem beying type-casted, do what you will. But you must accept the fact that people don't want to deal with that type of attention.
Let me ask you this. And I'm sorry that I'm being vulgur here. But the point must be made. You run a hosting company. How would you feel knowing that one of your clients hosts imagry of a woman going down on a horse? Or having intercourse with a dog? Would you mind that? If yes, how is that any different? Sure, different content. But the principle is the same. Because people find that imagry OK.Last edited by NikeAero1080; 03-24-2004 at 04:10 PM.
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03-24-2004, 04:28 PM #41Web Hosting Master
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why are people obligated to be open-minded?
i dont have to like it or approve of it!
you guys are just being politically correct here because it is the politically correct thing to do!
tell me guys.... if you go to the pub tonite and all your manly guy friends are sitting there drinking some brews, are you going to confess to them how cool it is to be gay and that you approve?
highly unlikely! youre just doing what suits you, for the moment.
there is a word for people like that, and it starts with an "H".Last edited by Project X; 03-24-2004 at 04:34 PM.
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03-24-2004, 04:33 PM #42Web Hosting Guru
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I agree, Lauren. Personal preference does not have to be PC.
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Personal preference does not have to be PC.
Unless you're reluctant to state up front that you don't allow (fill in the blank) content to be hosted on your servers, and that you want all (fill in the blank) clients to go elsewhere.☷ Lesli Schauf, TLM Network
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03-24-2004, 04:40 PM #44Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by NikeAero1080
I agree, Lauren. Personal preference does not have to be PC.if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
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03-24-2004, 04:41 PM #45Web Hosting Guru
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I have not looked at his hosting site so I couldn't tell you what his policy document states. However, even by stating that you do not allow pornographic material on your server will not keeping you secure. The argument we are having on this thread is proof of that. Some consider homosexual imagry inappropriet content and some feel it's fine.
I agree that some type of policy document is in order and must be viewable. However it's not going to protect you in every instance.- Chris
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03-24-2004, 04:42 PM #46Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by NikeAero1080
How would you feel knowing that one of your clients hosts imagry of a woman going down on a horse? Or having intercourse with a dog? Would you mind that? If yes, how is that any different? Sure, different content. But the principle is the same. Because people find that imagry OK.☷ Lesli Schauf, TLM Network
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Originally posted by living_media
But business conduct does, unless you state openly on your site that you disallow certain types of content / clientele. Whether you explicitly allow any content based not on the laws of the land, but on your business plan and / or personal preference, if you do not state this upfront but go ahead and take peoples' money, you could find yourself the target of lawsuits, depending on the laws of your locality.
Unless you're reluctant to state up front that you don't allow (fill in the blank) content to be hosted on your servers, and that you want all (fill in the blank) clients to go elsewhere.
i reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.
with your viewpoint, you are saying we couldnt discriminate against spammers, perverts and deadbeats!
im not saying id tell an openly gay person they cant host here, because i dont care, but as far as content, most definitely yucky yucky NO!if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
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Not at all, Lauren. Brush up on your rhetoric.
You can discriminate against anyone you wish, for any reason you wish, unless your local laws clearly state that you cannot do so - and even then, there's room for interpretation and sophistry. Legally, if you disallow a certain type of content and don't clearly reveal that you disallow this type of content, and then you take peoples' money and then terminate their sites because of a content issue, you could find yourself in legal trouble.
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03-24-2004, 04:51 PM #49Web Hosting Master
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it isnt WHO, it is what.
this country is going to $h!t and im not going to perpetuate that.
there is all kinds of $h!t on the net for all to see. why? becuase some knuckleheaded sell out was hard up for 15 bucks a month!
people will do anything for money and have no accountability for anything now days!
people are spineless and wont say what they REALLY believe. there is a word for that and it starts with a "C"!
i took my 8 y/o to the store yesterday to get a lunchable, right at the checkout, in plain view was the latest newsweek.... it was disgusting. it REALLY pissed me off! i told the manager that i couldnt BELIEVE they would display something like that right at checkout with all the kids that go there! i will never shop there again!
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I would like to try to clarify the points that are being made by the both of you. You see, the laws state WHO you can't discriminate against. Not WHAT. Pornographic imagry is not illegal to post, however thousands of hosts do not allow it. It's not breaking any laws. They have a right now to have that content on their site.
Living_Media - my point was pretty much made with your previous comment. If you show images of a man and a women together for the sexual arousal of another, that's pornography. However, some get aroused when it's 2 men, or 2 women, or a human and an animal. You cannot say that one type of pornography is OK and the other's aren't. THAT, my friend, is discrimination. Saying that ALL forms are not allowed on a site is not. That's guidelines.- Chris
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