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03-17-2004, 04:52 PM #1Newbie
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Looking for 10Mbit/s Colo
I am looking for a 1U colo with 10Mbit/s unmetered bandwidth.
ColorQuest.com is the cheapest one I can find so far.
$40/mo for per U space and $350/mo for the bandwidth.
Do anyone know some other provider offering a better deal?
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03-17-2004, 06:53 PM #2Web Hosting Guru
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What region are you looking at?
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03-17-2004, 06:58 PM #3Newbie
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Any region in the U.S. is fine.
Thanks.
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03-17-2004, 07:03 PM #4Web Hosting Evangelist
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Egihosting.com's probably the cheapest for your needs.
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03-17-2004, 07:11 PM #5Aspiring Evangelist
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Whatever provider you choose, consider the following:
1. Bandwidth (Networks)
2. Support - what support level do they provide? Remote hands? How much is it? etc.
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03-17-2004, 07:27 PM #6Aspiring Evangelist
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from what i heard egihosting has issues with spews and IP's being blacklisted, he.net as a whole has these problems search the forums
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03-17-2004, 07:45 PM #7Account Suspended
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$350 for 10mbps colo is a good deal in itself.....
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03-17-2004, 09:08 PM #8WHT Addict
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That depends on the type of traffic. I am sure one could easily get 10Mbit/sec of someone who has Cogent gige at that price but that would get them well... cogent.
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03-17-2004, 10:25 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by zubrcom
That depends on the type of traffic. I am sure one could easily get 10Mbit/sec of someone who has Cogent gige at that price but that would get them well... cogent.
1) clueless start-up web host buys cogent FastEthernet transit product for $3000/Mo
2) clueless start-up has no experience with routing, switching, billing, customer service, security, abuse desk, etc. etc.
3) clueless start-up blames problems on cogent, because that is the party line of third-rate web hosters
4) cogent acquires bad reputation
I know you understand all this, because you, yourself, just posted an informed remark about not oversubscribing core or transit in WHT threadid 249143.
So I'll just ask, have you been a direct customer of Cogent? What specific problems did you have with your service, and why were they unable to resolve them?Jeff at Innovative Network Concepts / 212-981-0607 x8579 / AIM: jeffsw6
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03-18-2004, 12:20 AM #10WHT Addict
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Originally posted by jsw6
Yeah, so, I'm going to post my cogent rant again.
1) clueless start-up web host buys cogent FastEthernet transit product for $3000/Mo
2) clueless start-up has no experience with routing, switching, billing, customer service, security, abuse desk, etc. etc.
3) clueless start-up blames problems on cogent, because that is the party line of third-rate web hosters
4) cogent acquires bad reputation
I know you understand all this, because you, yourself, just posted an informed remark about not oversubscribing core or transit in WHT threadid 249143.
So I'll just ask, have you been a direct customer of Cogent? What specific problems did you have with your service, and why were they unable to resolve them?www.zubrcom.net | Tel: 1-877-982-7266 / 1-267-298-3232 | sales@zubrcom.net|@zubrcom
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03-18-2004, 12:27 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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Again, let's see specifics. When did these "horrible" to "bearable" events happen, and why were they not resolved to your satisfaction?
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03-18-2004, 01:45 AM #12Web Hosting Guru
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jsw6: Judging by previous posts/arguments he was probably trying to host IRC on it and it got slammed 24/7 with DoS
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03-18-2004, 02:07 AM #13WHT Addict
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Originally posted by jsw6
Again, let's see specifics. When did these "horrible" to "bearable" events happen, and why were they not resolved to your satisfaction?
1. Cogent's NOC has no concept of escalation unless they are threatened with cancelation.
2. Cogent's NOC/CS is incapable of notifying more than one contact in the event of an outage, even if they clearly did not get in touch with the first one and did not leave a message.
3. Cogent's NOC closes tickets whent he problem had not been resoled.
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1. On four separate occasions over a 7 month of service, Cogent's port went from the full duplex on FE to half duplex, their NOC did not notice it. After being told specifically to test for that the person claimed to have done it, when she did not. Three hours later someone did determine that the port on their side went half duplex. This happened several times.
2. Cogent would sell you full gige or a fully burstable gige when the long haul that feeds it cannot support the traffic, even when from the beginning Cogent's sales rep is told the amount of traffic that could be tossed onto the network. Cogents NOC would refuse to comment on presence of a cogestion on the long haul even after the tickets are opened and escalated.
3. Cogent is a high-jitter network.
4. Don't even start me on peer A/peer B and eBGP multihop.www.zubrcom.net | Tel: 1-877-982-7266 / 1-267-298-3232 | sales@zubrcom.net|@zubrcom
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03-18-2004, 02:11 AM #14WHT Addict
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Originally posted by interquad
jsw6: Judging by previous posts/arguments he was probably trying to host IRC on it and it got slammed 24/7 with DoSwww.zubrcom.net | Tel: 1-877-982-7266 / 1-267-298-3232 | sales@zubrcom.net|@zubrcom
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03-18-2004, 02:13 AM #15Web Hosting Guru
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I don't remember saying anything about a 300 mbps attack killing my network. Go back to IRC.
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03-18-2004, 03:33 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by zubrcom
1. Cogent's NOC has no concept of escalation unless they are threatened with cancelation.
http://cogentco.com/Guide/User_Guide_V2.2002.pdf
2. Cogent's NOC/CS is incapable of notifying more than one contact in the event of an outage, even if they clearly did not get in touch with the first one and did not leave a message.
Further, you shouldn't rely on carriers to call and let you know your transit is down in the first place. That's what clued staff, network monitoring software, and outsource services are for. I don't expect any of my carriers to call me up and say, "By the way, our router failed and your transit will be down pending repair." If they do, that's fine, but the bottom line is it 1) won't cause me signifigant distress to lose a single carrier; and 2) my people are going to be notified, and if I need to do anything about it a member of our staff will call me, not some vendor.
3. Cogent's NOC closes tickets whent he problem had not been resoled.
1. On four separate occasions over a 7 month of service, Cogent's port went from the full duplex on FE to half duplex, their NOC did not notice it.
2. Cogent would sell you full gige or a fully burstable gige when the long haul that feeds it cannot support the traffic, even when from the beginning Cogent's sales rep is told the amount of traffic that could be tossed onto the network. Cogents NOC would refuse to comment on presence of a cogestion on the long haul even after the tickets are opened and escalated.
As to your remark that you were personally able to congest Cogent's oc-192c core with your burstable gige that has been available for less than 3 months, or your full gige which you evidently bought because you couldn't get the right duplex setting on FastEthernet, I am going to call ******** once again. I doubt that the several dozen Cogent customers using their Gige near 100% have had this same experience. Why is it only you? Would you like to re-specify your complaint, and indicate specific peering or other routes?
3. Cogent is a high-jitter network.
4. Don't even start me on peer A/peer B and eBGP multihop.
Many carriers deliver BGP routes via a multihop session. AboveNet does so in almost all circumstance. Will you now begin to bash AboveNet engineering practices on the basis that they utilize ebgp multihop for customer BGP sessions?
Cogent does this because they set out to offer a uniquely priced and delivered product, and they had some cost vs engineering decisions to make. Did you know that Cogent will not sell more than 20 FastEthernet ports on one edge router, because it only has 2Gb/sec of uplink capacity? I would rather them make that trade-off, than deploy a router capable of delivering full BGP routes in every building just to avoid ebgp multihop. Such minutia!Last edited by jsw6; 03-18-2004 at 03:38 AM.
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03-18-2004, 03:41 AM #17Junior Guru
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4. Don't even start me on peer A/peer B and eBGP multihop.
just fyi, our bgp session with even the "traditional tier-1 (Wooo)" carriers have ebgp multihop 2 for varying reasons. any clued noc admin should have no problem with cogent's setup.
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03-18-2004, 03:43 AM #18Aspiring Evangelist
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this thread has been officially hijacked
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Originally posted by zubrcom
If 300Mbit/sec towards a single customer who is able and willing to pay for the traffic is killing your network, then you have a bad network design.
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03-18-2004, 05:51 AM #20Junior Guru
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Originally posted by zubrcom
If 300Mbit/sec towards a single customer who is able and willing to pay for the traffic is killing your network, then you have a bad network design.
it doesn't happen at bits/sec when you have uber pipes like gig-e. it happens at Packets Per Second, or pps.
so how many pps? you sure it was not your 20 dollars netgear switch bought off ebay dropping packets that cogent was sending you at full line rate?
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03-18-2004, 12:47 PM #21WHT Addict
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Originally posted by jsw6
I guess you didn't read the manual. Check out pages 27 and 28 of the Cogent User Guide, which clearly document their escalation procedures.
http://cogentco.com/Guide/User_Guide_V2.2002.pdf
It is called customer service, or lack of there of.
You shouldn't rely on your carriers to be an escalation entity for you. This is a job for an inside 24x7 NOC, an answering service, a shared pager, or a phone system capable of ringing multiple parties.
When carriers ticketing system of cannot handle "call A, call B and call C in an event of a ticket opened", it reflects on customers perception of carriers service.
When the carrier keeps insisting that it had been a snafu and they can in fact handle more than one notification contact on the account, and then fail to do that again, then it again reflects very poorly on carriers ability to service customers.
Further, you shouldn't rely on carriers to call and let you know your transit is down in the first place. That's what clued staff, network monitoring software, and outsource services are for. I don't expect any of my carriers to call me up and say, "By the way, our router failed and your transit will be down pending repair." If they do, that's fine, but the bottom line is it 1) won't cause me signifigant distress to lose a single carrier; and 2) my people are going to be notified, and if I need to do anything about it a member of our staff will call me, not some vendor.
The argument "why the hell do you rely on our roadside assistance? On page 40 of our users manual we say should call AAA" would sound rather funny.
Let me correct it, the transit was not down - Cogent was experiencing nasty packet loss, after five minutes of demonstrating that packet loss, it was shifted on the provider that did not have the issue.
Everyone does that. Be specific. Was it your fault for not following-up on the ticket? Did you ask for filtering or something else Cogent does not offer, and then consider that within your definition of "problem had not been resoled(sic)?"
Again, see the Cogent User Guide. It is their policy to configure FastE hand-off equipment for 100/Full in all installations. You say their switch up and changed its duplex setting on its own, four times? I think Cisco would be interested in this tall tale. Perhaps there is a compatibility problem with your ethernet chipset and the chipset used by whichever Cisco device was at your Cogent service location. If auto-negotiation was off on both ends, as is recommended by the user guide, that wouldn't, shouldn't, couldn't happen.
Of course the other provider could notify more than 1 number in an event of the problem, the NOC would call us if they saw somethinig whacky, and the NOC manager was extremely helpful in making sure that we were happy with any explanation of any event that affected our service. Of course it was that strange company called Verio, which has this proposterous idea that support is what keeps the customers in the event of a problems.
As to your remark that you were personally able to congest Cogent's oc-192c core with your burstable gige that has been available for less than 3 months, or your full gige which you evidently bought because you couldn't get the right duplex setting on FastEthernet, I am going to call ******** once again. I doubt that the several dozen Cogent customers using their Gige near 100% have had this same experience. Why is it only you? Would you like to re-specify your complaint, and indicate specific peering or other routes?
The Cogent oc-192c backbone, which is designed and implemented congestion-free, is high-jitter? Again perhaps you'd care to cite specific peering, as if Cogent had a jitter problem on their backbone it would be because they have congestion and buffering, or ECMP routes that are of differing latency (which they do not.) I somehow suspect that other direct Cogent customers would have noticed if they had congestion and large packet buffers on their backbone, because that would also introduce packet loss once traffic levels exceeded the amount of transmit time available in real-time outside of a micro-burst setting.
What is your problem with the way Cogent delivers BGP routes, exactly? It's a design decision and it doesn't cause any signifigant disadvantage!
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Many carriers deliver BGP routes via a multihop session. AboveNet does so in almost all circumstance. Will you now begin to bash AboveNet engineering practices on the basis that they utilize ebgp multihop for customer BGP sessions?
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The funny part is that when one asks most of those carriers for ebgp multihop to feed provider's view of the net into the software that later showed up as SockEye or RouteScience, the same carriers would not do it.
Cogent does this because they set out to offer a uniquely priced and delivered product, and they had some cost vs engineering decisions to make. Did you know that Cogent will not sell more than 20 FastEthernet ports on one edge router, because it only has 2Gb/sec of uplink capacity? I would rather them make that trade-off, than deploy a router capable of delivering full BGP routes in every building just to avoid ebgp multihop. Such minutia!www.zubrcom.net | Tel: 1-877-982-7266 / 1-267-298-3232 | sales@zubrcom.net|@zubrcom
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