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  1. #1
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    managed.com adding more lines XO is here

    got this today

    We have two GiGE pipes coming in for abovenet alone, also we got lines in from XO yesterday afternoon. We are looking to have our BGP session up later today.

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    good.. though there have been some recent threads about managed.com.. this seems to be a better news
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    Thanks for posting that info webrats.

    Whilst their currently Abovenet line(s) are supporting existing customers nicely, it will be great to see the added redundancy provided by XO.

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    I got a new server from managed a few days ago, so far the service has been very disappointing during peek hours. about 175kb/s on an avg file, vs. late at night about 1.5M/s!

    I'm consdering dumping the server, although I'm waiting to see how these new lines will improve my service.. hopefully they will hook them up soon.

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    I'll be the first to say that adding more lines won't help and might even hurt things.

    AboveNet wasn't the problem during the downtimes that Managed.com had. Either they were getting DDoS'ed and they couldn't have AboveNet block it for some reason, or they simply didn't know how to run a network.

    Adding another provider into the mix is not some magical cure-all to network problems. Setting up BGP between two or more providers is fairly difficult and generally requires expensive router equipment, as well as a guru who knows how to set it all up. From what I've seen, they have the equipment, but are sorely lacking the technical competence to set it up. BGP, when set up improperly, can actually cause network outages... and I think we might see this with Managed.com.

    There is nothing that indicates to me that Managed.com's network will get any better. They already have a provider that has fantastic uptime with no network outages to speak of in the past year. I predict at least one more hour of outages in the next 30 days, and possibly more, depending on how well they can set up BGP.

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    Originally posted by jakub
    I got a new server from managed a few days ago, so far the service has been very disappointing during peek hours. about 175kb/s on an avg file, vs. late at night about 1.5M/s!

    I'm consdering dumping the server, although I'm waiting to see how these new lines will improve my service.. hopefully they will hook them up soon.
    Sounds like a good choice, those are terrible speeds. I hope you let us know what the speeds are like when they install the new lines.
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    Erica,

    I know their track record hasn't been the best, but I'd seriously hope that they have people capable of configuring and maintaining BGP. However, now you've given me visions of 2 or 3 inexperienced engineers gathered around a Cisco training manual trying to figure out BGP

    Fingers crossed it all works out (and he does so nervously!)

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    Originally posted by jakub
    I got a new server from managed a few days ago, so far the service has been very disappointing during peek hours. about 175kb/s on an avg file, vs. late at night about 1.5M/s!

    I'm consdering dumping the server, although I'm waiting to see how these new lines will improve my service.. hopefully they will hook them up soon.

    i just moved a file from my texas server to my backup at managed.com the transfre speed was

    The statistics were last updated Friday, 12 March 2004 at 10:50,

    Max In: 9213.2 kb/s (92.1%)
    Max Out: 266.2 kb/s (2.7%)

    could the problem be on your end ???

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    Hahahaha my servers are all routing via Level42
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    hamm our servers still connected by Abovenet when we try to make tracert.

    when all the servers will be connected into XO?
    is that possible to transfer servers from Abovenet into XO?

    or it mixed?

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    something changed in the last hour, lets just hope it stays that way.


    [[email protected] root]# wget http://65.75.166.50/~tekno/8mbtest
    --12:33:00-- http://65.75.166.50/%7Etekno/8mbtest
    => `8mbtest.1'
    Connecting to 65.75.166.50:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 8,388,608 [text/plain]

    100%[====================================>] 8,388,608 1.14M/s ETA 00:00

    12:33:07 (1.14 MB/s) - `8mbtest.1' saved [8388608/8388608]


    [[email protected] root]# traceroute 65.75.166.50
    traceroute to 65.75.166.50 (65.75.166.50), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
    1 64.246.48.1 (64.246.48.1) 1.023 ms 3.115 ms 3.102 ms
    2 ivhou-207-218-245-31.ev1.net (207.218.245.31) 1.125 ms 0.354 ms 0.301 ms
    3 ivhou-207-218-223-7.ev1.net (207.218.223.7) 0.490 ms 0.764 ms 0.429 ms
    4 289.ge-4-2-1.mpr1.iah1.us.above.net (216.200.251.50) 1.369 ms 1.310 ms 1.228 ms
    5 so-5-2-0.cr1.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.30.230) 5.684 ms 5.656 ms 5.619 ms
    6 so-4-1-0.mpr4.sjc2.us.above.net (64.125.29.57) 50.369 ms 50.101 ms 50.086 ms
    7 so-0-0-0.er10a.sjc2.us.above.net (64.125.30.94) 50.322 ms 50.224 ms 50.550 ms
    8 reserved.above.net (209.133.64.124) 50.066 ms 50.271 ms 50.910 ms
    9 assertive.managed.com (66.154.102.5) 50.368 ms 50.679 ms 50.372 ms
    10 65.75.166.50 (65.75.166.50) 50.288 ms 50.220 ms 50.353 ms

    still going through above net whenever i do a trace, but as long as the speeds are up. its all good with me!

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    8 reserved.above.net (209.133.64.124) 50.066 ms 50.271 ms 50.910 ms

    That seems to be new. For some places, it's over layer42, for other places it's above.

    http://www.traceroute.org/#USA

    Might help some people out =)

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    got this:

    Jack Peterson has responded to your help desk request.

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    Hello,

    Sorry, we can't make any comment about XO until next week.


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    glad i could put a positive spin on it guys..

    all i have to say is the 2 days i have been with them has been %300 better then my 3 days with theplanet

    and the speeds are better

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    Originally posted by nor-hosting
    i just moved a file from my texas server to my backup at managed.com the transfre speed was

    The statistics were last updated Friday, 12 March 2004 at 10:50,

    Max In: 9213.2 kb/s (92.1%)
    Max Out: 266.2 kb/s (2.7%)

    could the problem be on your end ???
    Don't see a problem here, either:

    Max In: 38.9 Mb/s (38.9%) Average In: 7689.1 kb/s (7.7%) Current In: 4812.9 kb/s (4.8%)
    Max Out: 76.4 Mb/s (76.4%) Average Out: 20.8 Mb/s (20.8%) Current Out: 18.1 Mb/s (18.1%)
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    Lets all pray they do not get Dos attack as XO takes 6 to forever hours to nullroute an IP or give any type of support.

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    I think you guys have to stop thinking every managed.com downtime is due to the "XO upgrade". none of the traces show any XO bandwidth whatsoever. Personally, i think the XO mumbo jumbo is just to have a valid excuse for the downtimes.
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    It looks to me when they get DDos, Above.net just decide to shut them down, leaving them with Layer42 incoming. As with XO, if they're getting DDos, they'll be shutoff even faster because of the fact XO uses Cisco gear and they dont handle Ddos as well as Juniper.

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    well they are down right now

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    Originally posted by webrats
    well they are down right now
    im actually quite relieved they are.... Although it does not bother me too much anyway as I am moving all my US servers to Europe next month hehe
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    back up for about 1 min now down

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    hey sash where too take me with you lol
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    Downage

    Yea, I am not too happy with my 2nd day at managed.com.. I hope atleast adding XO will keep my server online while above.net bandwidth is under siege.

    I can get the full 100mbit, so its not a speed issue IMO.

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    Heh, never had speed issues, ever, as Sash & me had an arguement over speeds the other day (@ managed.com).

    I've usually pinged 30 ms to managed.com , and most downtimes are sudden, not like they slow down at all, simply like packet loss.

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    Originally posted by DJ Plasma
    Heh, never had speed issues, ever, as Sash & me had an arguement over speeds the other day (@ managed.com).

    I've usually pinged 30 ms to managed.com , and most downtimes are sudden, not like they slow down at all, simply like packet loss.
    thats what i notice

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    No XO. Trace from AS30490 thru AS2828:

    1 GigE03-FRMT1a (208.37.25.1) 0.343 ms 0.305 ms 0.293 ms
    2 206.111.149.130.ptr.us.xo.net (206.111.149.130) 5.164 ms 0.200 ms 0.230 ms
    3 ge9-0.DCR1.DC-Fremont-CA.us.xo.net (205.158.60.161) 0.372 ms 0.112 ms 0.120 ms
    4 p4-1-0-2.RAR2.SanJose-CA.us.xo.net (65.106.2.177) 1.494 ms 1.266 ms 1.227 ms
    5 p1-0.IR1.PaloAlto-CA.us.xo.net (65.106.5.178) 1.870 ms 1.616 ms 1.634 ms
    6 pos3-3.mpr1.pao1.us.above.net (209.249.0.181) 1.917 ms 1.727 ms 1.715 ms
    7 64.125.28.222.available.above.net (64.125.28.222) 2.525 ms 2.263 ms 2.280 ms
    8 so-2-0-0.er10a.sjc2.us.above.net (64.125.30.90) 2.517 ms 2.341 ms 2.285 ms
    9 above.sjc.assertivenetworks.net (209.66.79.101) 2.503 ms 2.338 ms 2.370 ms
    10 assertive.managed.com (66.154.102.5) 2.716 ms 2.738 ms 2.366 ms
    11 www.managed.com (66.79.160.10) 2.533 ms 2.364 ms 2.438 ms

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    Remember that the engineers are off on weekends. I wouldn't expect to see any routing changes (or additional network downtime) until Monday.

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    The new XO line has made a difference in pings. Although I can't remember what I used to ping to my managed boxes, my clients are really happy that their pings have dropped.

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    Originally posted by Rahil
    The new XO line has made a difference in pings. Although I can't remember what I used to ping to my managed boxes, my clients are really happy that their pings have dropped.
    Care to back that up with facts? No one has identified any traffic going through XO yet. The "rumor" of XO being installed has been going on for weeks. Anytime managed is down a few people come here and state that they are installing XO. Managed themselves have not stated this as a fact (actual installation and usage) nor has anyone been able to back up their claims with definitive proof that it is in fact installed.

    We know they want to add XO, that is not the issue. The issue is when it will be added.

    Until it is evident with actual network proof, it is just a rumor.

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    I think we should give em a break and see what happends when they connect to the XO network.

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    Originally posted by nor-hosting
    I think we should give em a break and see what happends when they connect to the XO network.
    You mean IF they connect to the XO network right?

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    ok then If they wil do it .. anyway i think we should give em a break and see what happens

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    traceroute to managed.com from AS30490 via AS2828 at 6:06PM PST March 13th:

    1 GigE03-FRMT1a (208.37.25.1) 0.398 ms 0.346 ms 0.316 ms
    2 206.111.149.130.ptr.us.xo.net (206.111.149.130) 1.608 ms 0.244 ms 0.198 ms
    3 ge9-0.DCR1.DC-Fremont-CA.us.xo.net (205.158.60.161) 0.371 ms 0.158 ms 0.115 ms
    4 p5-1-0-2.RAR2.SanJose-CA.us.xo.net (65.106.2.153) 0.961 ms 0.794 ms 0.725 ms
    5 p1-0.IR1.PaloAlto-CA.us.xo.net (65.106.5.178) 1.414 ms 1.150 ms 1.104 ms
    6 pos3-3.mpr1.pao1.us.above.net (209.249.0.181) 1.459 ms 1.421 ms 1.177 ms
    7 so-4-2-0.mpr3.sjc2.us (64.125.28.222) 2.007 ms 1.882 ms 1.717 ms
    8 so-2-0-0.er10a.sjc2.us.above.net (64.125.30.90) 2.044 ms 1.822 ms 1.734 ms
    9 above.sjc.assertivenetworks.net (209.66.79.101) 2.124 ms 1.911 ms 1.780 ms
    10 66-154-102-52.assertivenetworks.net (66.154.102.52) 2.216 ms 183.855 ms 3.814 ms
    11 www.managed.com (66.79.160.10) 2.084 ms 1.763 ms 1.808 ms

    Their IPs aren't announcing over XO.

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    Originally posted by Matt
    Care to back that up with facts? No one has identified any traffic going through XO yet. The "rumor" of XO being installed has been going on for weeks. Anytime managed is down a few people come here and state that they are installing XO. Managed themselves have not stated this as a fact (actual installation and usage) nor has anyone been able to back up their claims with definitive proof that it is in fact installed.

    We know they want to add XO, that is not the issue. The issue is when it will be added.

    Until it is evident with actual network proof, it is just a rumor.
    Yeah, agreed. I don't see them broadcasting any BGP routes, at all.

    I've also done some traces from a few XO routers I have access too and have seen no routes to managed via a private peer.

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    Originally posted by simonhouse
    Erica,

    I know their track record hasn't been the best, but I'd seriously hope that they have people capable of configuring and maintaining BGP. However, now you've given me visions of 2 or 3 inexperienced engineers gathered around a Cisco training manual trying to figure out BGP

    Fingers crossed it all works out (and he does so nervously!)
    That is an extremely funny mental picture. I can even see the title of the book. Cisco BGP for dummies, Oh I canít stop chuckling on this one

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    Originally posted by FatalSw1tch
    That is an extremely funny mental picture. I can even see the title of the book. Cisco BGP for dummies, Oh I canít stop chuckling on this one
    Same here
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  39. #39
    Is the website for managed.com hosted on their servers? I am thinking of purchasing a server from them, and I was wondering if I could ping that ip and use it as a reliable example.

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    Server Name: NS1.MANAGED.NET
    IP Address: 66.79.160.1
    Registrar: NAMESDIRECT.COM, INC.
    Whois Server: whois.namesdirect.com
    Referral URL: http://www.namesdirect.com

    Result for 66.79.160.1
    --> /usr/local/bin/fwhois [email protected]
    [whois.arin.net]

    OrgName: Managed Solutions Group, Inc.
    OrgID: MSG-48
    Address: 50 West San Fernando St.
    Address: 18th floor
    City: San Jose
    StateProv: CA
    PostalCode: 95113
    Country: US


    Looks like it to me

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