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    Angry worse than spam, hosting company called me at home tonight!

    I registered a domain not 2 days ago, and this design/hosting company called me at my home asking what I intend to do with the domain. He went on to say they have a database of all newly registered domain names, and when they see a really good one, they call and offer their services.

    I told him I do design and hosting myself, and I find it very unprofessional that they would do such a thing, and I was going to post this here and a few other forums.

    So, I did.

    Anyone want to know the name of the company, or should I leave it at that?
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    Hah - reminds me of a certain major cc issuer that keeps sending CC apps for each domain I register.. Some of the names on the form letters are amusing though, as some domains are registered with DBAs and such
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    As your in the USA, have you joined that list that prevents telesales people from calling you? I think it started last year some time.

    If so, what they did may be illegal.
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    "Elaine Benice - you named names!" - Seinfeld

    Are you going to name names too?
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    Yea, I would like a name, someone to keep clear of.
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    The name of the company was aplus.net Not only do they cold call people who register"good" names, they have unlimited plans, too.

    Yes, I named names!
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    ahh well if you search for that particular name here on WHT, it's no surprise.
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    also, looking through the threads I found while searching "aplus.net", I found that they are registered here as "Dunbar7376", but they only post to make offers or reply to a negative thread about their company.

    Just giving everyone the heads up, chances are he's coming, lol
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    Re: worse than spam, hosting company called me at home tonight!

    Originally posted by pixetech
    He went on to say they have a database of all newly registered domain names
    In other words, their sales people live here
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    Re: Re: worse than spam, hosting company called me at home tonight!

    Originally posted by AussieHosts
    In other words, their sales people live here
    Exactly

    I would hate a company that calls up customers to try to sell something else.
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    I have always had a subset in mind that Derogatory remarks are never called for from a competing hosting company

    Ive never been one myself to put down a competing hosting company.... Would rather close my business rather than be that low..

    But... in this case... i can fairly say aplus.net are scumbags... although... i wont relish any more on my experiences with them, or how i came to know them, i pity any customer doing business with them....
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    This post is not about putting down another webhosting company. I would have posted it even if I were not in the business.

    People post spammers here all the time, I figure this is even worse than spam.
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    Sorry pixetech, thats not what i meant, Apologies if it came out like that.

    What i meant.. was that i would never allow myself or ANY members of our companies (4hosted & adulthosting) to post derogatory remarks or put down another webhosting company without any reasonable cause... Competition is always healthy and i respect my fellow WHT'ers a LOT.

    The point i was making is that Aplus.net definately takes the biscuit, they are scumbags...
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    I also got a call from them, it was kinda funny :-\
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    amazing

    I just went to aplus.net website and livechat request me a chat. We cannot even see the site in peace, where is our privacy?
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    hmmmmm, I think I will go ask them about unlimited bandwidth
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    They left a message on my machine to call them back. I was like wtf?

    They said 'We see the domain's nameservers are nboxservers.net, Would you be interested in switching to one of our unlimited plans?'

    I was like 'Uhhh... I run nboxservers.net, no thanks.'
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    That is a very bad way to get business. I wonder why will they do that. Is aplus a big company? They must be busy calling everybody since domain names are registered in huge numbers everyday.
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    Not only is it bad business, but it is illegal to use the whois info.

    http://www.icann.org/registrars/regi...er-08dec00.htm

    "This dispute centers on both Verio's end use of the WHOIS data and its use of the automated search robot. While Register.com acknowledges its obligation to provide public access to its customers' contact information, it has developed "terms of use" which prohibit third parties, such as Verio, from using the contact information for any mass marketing purpose - whether by e-mail, regular mail or telephone. Register.com also argues that the use of automated software to access the WHOIS database violates its terms of use and harms its computer systems."
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    Yep, sure enough I went on their website and they requested a chat... If only I could think of a really weird question to ask them....?!? Hmmm *tries to think*

    Oh well
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    doesn't supprise me one bit.
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    Great, love the feeling we get fromt his dont' we?
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    I had an email from a design company offering design services about a week after I bought a domain name for a friend. Since the offer was unsolicited, I reported them through Spamcop at once
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    I went to their page, and got the chat thingy too. Reloaded the page, it re-appeared a certain tiem later with a different "CSR." It looks likes it opens after a certain time on their page. I was attempted to type "1984" into the thing.
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    Originally posted by FatalSw1tch
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    That's the most immature thing I've seen someone do.

    LiveChat isn't a complaint department and you shouldn't on ther harassing their employees in such unprofessional matter.

    And btw, CiHost.com use to call me here at work and they'd have an automatic voice recording talking about their services. (CiHost=Spammer)
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    It saids on their site call us 24 hours a day its more like them calling us 24 hours a day...
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    Originally posted by Rob83
    That's the most immature thing I've seen someone do.

    LiveChat isn't a complaint department and you shouldn't on ther harassing their employees in such unprofessional matter.

    And btw, CiHost.com use to call me here at work and they'd have an automatic voice recording talking about their services. (CiHost=Spammer)
    Oh, crap...now you went and done it...CiHOST will be sending iNet a supeona over that...(not kidding)....
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    Is it my imagination or is that host's name not *** anymore?
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    In my experience in buss. there are two ways to get customers...

    1) They come to you.

    2) You go to them.

    Now if you wait for them to come to you, you better be the only company/person that offers that product or be in a market where there are few competitors. However, if you're in a highly competive market such as webhosting, its best that you go to your customers. That is how we have expanded in the course of 12 plus years from a small mom and pop computer store to the size that we are today. Now I apologize to you hosting people out there who were contacted, its our job to prospect for customers...sales is the thing that will make a company sink or swim and we chose to be aggressive to ensure our position in the market place. If you're upset, I certainly understand since it is a bit odd to get a sales call from your competitors...Quite frankly, I used to get those when I worked in telecommunications.

    A simple request to the person who calls you to add yourself to the do not call list is fine. Or if you want, you can call us up and simply state that you don't appreciate being called. Or you can call us up and say that you would like to be added to the DNCL as a pre-emptive measure.

    I appreciate the input that I received on chat to look at this board. He/she remained very professional where in the past, I have experienced others who have acted in a rash manner on chat.
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    hi,

    I am myself a marketer and I am really upset at the proposition of someone disturbing you at your home. Probably, next time, you will re-think before giving your home number in the domain registration form. Alternately, try using www.efax.com or www.j2.com to get a free voice mail number for such registrations. This will keep your home safe, quiet and the best place to rest, not the usual sales calls from those POOR chaps who are trying to make a living this way.

    Regarding my personal views, well, as a marketer, I will definitely defend APlus.net and their marketing strategy. Yes, I know there has been and there will always be a friction between prospects and direct-marketers, but look around you or your own achievements. If some direct marketer or a well-wisher would have not encouraged you to take a particular step or guide you towards a direction, would you be where you are today? Now, please don't tell me you live in a jungle and you got nobody around you or you are an anti-social typo.

    Sometimes I feel that we become too much wary about poor direct-marketers and ignore the BOMBARDMENT of ads via net, tv, hoardings, and what not.

    Any comments?
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    Spam is spam no matter what form it takes. You can call it whatever you like McMardyn you are still intruding on people's private time by calling them at home.
    You are also breaking the law from what I can tell by harvesting the registry databases.
    There are many ways to get business and many of us don't feel the need to stoop to lowlife tactics like spam and phone number theft.
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    Michael (chef)

    Yes, Spam is Spam and Cold Callling is Cold Calling. But, and it is a big BUT, how do you get new customers?
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    Its its not good at all to call people to get new customers.... Too unprofessional....
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    Originally posted by aatayyab
    Michael (chef)

    Yes, Spam is Spam and Cold Callling is Cold Calling. But, and it is a big BUT, how do you get new customers?

    There are many legitmate advertising sources out there Amir.
    Also, if some of these guys would spend less time whoring for customers and more time taking care of the customers they have, they would certainly generate a lot more word of mouth business.
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    Whoring !!!

    Originally posted by blue27
    There are many legitmate advertising sources out there Amir.
    Also, if some of these guys would spend less time whoring for customers and more time taking care of the customers they have, they would certainly generate a lot more word of mouth business.
    Michael (blue or chef or whatever),

    After seeing your comments and especially the word WHORING in your post, I fear that you might KILL a salesman/saleswoman or worse, you might eat him/her ALIVE I am sure you are having the worst type of phone calls, emails, junk mails, etc which made you so full of hate and anger towards poor marketing people

    Now, coming to your suggested approach of references, yes, that is great and nobody needs to be told as they are already doing that. Do you have any other better advice to find new clients?

    P.S. Please avoid using indecent words like WHORING during a discussion on a respected forum like this one. There are many other ways to vent your anger. right?
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    Originally posted by aatayyab
    Sometimes I feel that we become too much wary about poor direct-marketers and ignore the BOMBARDMENT of ads via net, tv, hoardings, and what not.
    I hate this argument. I see it all the time. It was used in the DNCL debate. Direct marketers do not get it. People are tired of their private lives being invaded by 'annoying' direct marketing tactics.

    1) TV, Net, Radio? Come on. I know that by my actions of making a decision to enter those media outlets, I know I will have to deal with ads. That is the price. I knowingly enter and become a sheep for corporations. I have control though.

    2) Direct marketing. Spammers, fax mailers, cold callers, junk snail mail. Hey, I didn't ask for this. When I got a post office box, I never asked to accept your crap. When I bought a computer and e-mail client, I never wanted to receive spam. Same with my phone. I bought a phone to communicate with people I choose. I didn't get it to receive calls at dinner from some scumbag selling crap. I DO NOT have control.

    By turning on a TV or Radio or going to other peoples websites, I know their will be ads. However by buying a phone or fax machine, I never wanted the ads nor should I have to receive them. I have a choice to not turn on the TV or radio. I do not have a choice for my fax or phone. I need those to do business or communicate. See the difference?

    Direct markers are the bottom of the barrel. Resource hogs and leaches, whoring for cash by annoying others. And the funny thing is that it is crap companies who support them. CIHost and APlus are great examples. Instead of doing what solid, honest businesses do, and advertise creatively, they spam people and invade their lives. Funny how it all ties together. I have not received spam fax from Pair or Rackspace. But I get them from CIHost. Pigs and $hit go together.


    Regarding the comment by the Aplus rep, about do you go out and get business or do you wait for it to come to you. Well, I advertise without forcing myself down peoples throats. You see? When it is time to buy, a customer will seek you out. They will look to those outlets to locate what they need. Because I bought a house doesn't mean I want voice messages from some dish company every two days. If I want a dish, I will find you. I will look through the BBB. I will ask friends who they use. So me, I concentrate on making my company have the best service and support possible. Better service = more referrals. I concentare on creative advertising. Creating a buzz where possible. Also, it is obvious your dollars go to direct marketing and not the hiring of quality support staff. Yes APLus rep, I know you guys. I know Dave and Larry. I know Phoenix and Lillian. Your support sucks! Dave and Larry are skilled, but they careless about your customers. Imagine if you placed the dollars to improving service and support, the amount of business you would get from referrals. Instead you spend it on annoying people by calling them at dinner or when they are playing with their children.

    OK, I am done.
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    Um or Billy or Cord,

    You are carried away by your own arguements. Look here;

    Originally posted by UmBillyCord
    I knowingly enter and become a sheep for corporations.
    Well, if you give that much price to tv, hoardings, newspaper, etc., then why not to direct marketers?

    I didn't get it to receive calls at dinner from some scumbag selling crap.
    They are trying their best to earn a decent living. Nobody knowingly can disturb anybody's private life and let me assure you, no professional direct marketer can stand to such comments.

    I need those to do business or communicate.
    So, if those ads were not there, how would you know your choices?

    Direct markers are the bottom of the barrel. Resource hogs and leaches, whoring for cash by annoying others. And the funny thing is that it is crap companies who support them.
    Now, that is what I call ABUSING and MISBEHAVING. No professionally educated human being can behave like that. There is a very CLEAR difference between those who behave like that and those who do not. The real target of the professional direct marketers are those clients who got a mind to think and who appreciate the efforts of direct marketers to bring them affordable and unique choices which they would have never known before.

    I have not received spam fax from Pair or Rackspace.
    Now, that is clearly a debatable issue. I recieve a huge spam myself from big names like Microsoft, IBM, Sun, Dell, HP etc. But I like their professional emails and those are very informative ones. Now, don't confuse that to those that I signed up specifically by agreeing to recieve such spam.

    Well, I advertise without forcing myself down peoples throats.
    Now, I need an academic lecture from anyone here to differentiate between advertising and spamming please

    Take care,
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    P.S. to UmBillyCord,

    Today my competitor offers 25 GBs of bandwidth and 500 MBs of space.
    Tomorrow I will offer 50 GBs of bandwidth and 1000 MBs of space.
    Then in two days my competitor will offer 75 GBs of bandwidth and 2000 MBs of space.
    On the third day, I will say "The hell with it" and offer unlimited everything!
    After Unlimited Everything, I can help you add FREE FOREVER slogan to increase your sales

    Just a friendly byte.......
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    [aatayyab]
    "Regarding my personal views, well, as a marketer, I will definitely defend APlus.net and their marketing strategy. "

    What Aplus.net is doing is illegal, If you don't understand why, read my previous post.

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