View Poll Results: Zend or ionCube
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Thread: Zend or ionCube
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03-05-2004, 12:37 AM #1Junior Guru Wannabe
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Zend or ionCube
Well i think i mite need a encoder for some scripts such as modern bill, which is best, faster, less hassle free, and whats your views if any at all,
would you bother installing such device?HostDedi.co.uk
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03-05-2004, 07:21 AM #2Web Hosting Master
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well for me zend is a must and i like it, installing is easy and lots of clients ask for it.
so i go for zend, and never had any problem with it my self.
but this is me only
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03-05-2004, 11:45 AM #3Build It Better!
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There are two pieces of software that are involved with this. There is an Encoder, Loader/Optimizer and then there is an Accelerator.
IonCube offers a free Accelerator and loaders. You can increase your PHP script execution as well as run IonCube encoded files without any additional costs.
Zend offers a free Optimizer. This is not to be confused with an Accelerator. It optimizes the code and allows you to run Zend encoded files. In order to also accelerate php script execution you need to purchase Zend Accelerator. The cheapest I found this for was $295 yearly per CPU, per server with no support or updates included.
Now if you would like to get the best of both worlds using Zend Optimizer and IonCube Accelerator, you can forget that. They are not compatible.
Also worthy to mention is the fact that Zend Optimizer and Accelerator together will clearly surpass the performance of the IonCube equivalents.
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03-05-2004, 01:49 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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IonCube is significantly cheaper though..... (for the encoder)
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03-05-2004, 02:07 PM #5Build It Better!
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Originally posted by codywatkins
IonCube is significantly cheaper though..... (for the encoder)
Zend does have propietory advantages since they wrote PHP. When PHP 5 comes out Zend will already be compatible (obviously) whereas IonCube will likely have some work to do.
Zend will always be better, faster and more current then IonCube but you certainly pay for that advantage in using Zend's solutions...
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03-05-2004, 06:21 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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Just thought I might mention Turck MMCache's Encoder.
turck-mmcache.sourceforge.net/#encoder
its GPL software. and their cache seems mighty fast.
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03-05-2004, 06:35 PM #7Newbie
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Re: Zend or ionCube
Originally posted by Felxi
would you bother installing such device?
Some commercial scripts need it and you may need it yourself if you are coding as well.Roger - Fastcom Networks - http://www.fastcom.uk.com
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03-05-2004, 10:44 PM #8WHT Addict
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Originally posted by ambirex
Just thought I might mention Turck MMCache's Encoder.
turck-mmcache.sourceforge.net/#encoder
its GPL software. and their cache seems mighty fast.
Does anyone have any experience using both MMCache and Zend and provide feedback?
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03-06-2004, 12:01 AM #9Build It Better!
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I don't think Zend plays well with others. I know it doesnt play well with IonCube but with MMCache I don't know.
What would you need Zend and MMCache for though?
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03-06-2004, 12:05 AM #10WHT Addict
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Sorry - I wasn't clear. I was looking for people who have had experience with both software packages - but not used at the same time. I have no need to run Zend and MMCache concurrently. I was just looking for experiences and preferences between the two.
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03-06-2004, 12:06 AM #11
I prefer Zend, but as Watcher stated it does not always play well with others. Luckily I have only ran into that issue once and was able to find a workaround.
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03-06-2004, 02:16 PM #12Web Hosting Guru
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Originally posted by rokamortis
Sorry - I wasn't clear. I was looking for people who have had experience with both software packages - but not used at the same time. I have no need to run Zend and MMCache concurrently. I was just looking for experiences and preferences between the two.
As it usually happens in these cases, the guys from Zend hired the MMCache main developer, and I don't think there's going to be any update soon....
For more info about what happened: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.p...orum_id=236228
For current PHP versions, however, MMCache is still the best option out there IMO (considering price and performance).
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03-09-2004, 11:17 AM #13Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally posted by Watcher_TVI
...Zend does have propietory advantages since they wrote PHP. When PHP 5 comes out Zend will already be compatible (obviously) whereas IonCube will likely have some work to do.
Zend will always be better, faster and more current then IonCube but you certainly pay for that advantage in using Zend's solutions...
I also wouldn't agree on the "better, faster" part. Again, since the PHP source is publicly available, better and faster is up to the skills of the individual or team developing the plugins to work within its application framework. And there's nothing preventing those skills from being acquired outside of Zend corporate (in fact, any attempts at preventing such competition on Zend's part could place them under the scrutiny of the Federal Trade Commission).
On the other hand, you are absolute correct that Zend is in complete control of the direction which the language takes (the upcoming version 5 is such an example). So they will be the first to support any new language extensions and internals.
I was looking at both IonCube and Source Guardian. After running the evaluation of Source Guardian 2, I found that some things that I encoded with it would not run when installed on another system (the correct Source Guardian 2 loader for the OS & PHP version was installed, and I verified this with their testing application). Another issue that I had with Source Guardian (outside of the plain source verses bit code issue) is that they only support 3 operating systems. IonCube supports 7 operating systems and costs less then Source Guardian (in fact, $100.00 less for the month or March).
I just purchased IonCube a few days ago. It's nice, and I was able to compile a rather large and complex project and found it to run just fine (and with no speed differences). Something that I found a little disconcerting was that they issue a run time key tied to your network card. So if you are developing on a leased server, and then move it onto a different server (or if the network card is changed), you need to obtain a different run time key for the new hardware.
On the plus side, IonCube runs at the command line. So you can set up an application to be distributed, and compile it specifically for the distribution/purchase/etc. So if you want to embed installation/sale specific information, it is quite easy to do.
Tim
PS, the BBS is setup so that you need to have posted 5 times before you can include URLs
I had included these to show the operating systems supported between Source Guardian and IonCube. I'm hoping that the board's configuration will allow these, if I don't use the BBCodes for it.
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No, it won't, so unfortrunately I'm not able to include those page references for you. *sigh*
www dot sourceguardian dot com/ixeds/index dot htm
www dot ioncube dot com/loader_download dot phpLast edited by Ishtaria; 03-09-2004 at 11:26 AM.
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03-09-2004, 02:52 PM #14Build It Better!
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Originally Posted by Ishtaria
I'm certainly not knocking IonCube, I think they have a great product and for the masses using a free product as opposed to paying for Zend's products will give IonCube a big market share I would think.
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03-09-2004, 07:34 PM #15WHT Addict
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I've used IonCube, and never really had any problems with it.
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03-10-2004, 05:18 AM #16WHT Addict
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I've run Zend and Turck MMCache together just fine.
Zend and IonCube are another story altogether, they don't work well together.
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03-10-2004, 12:36 PM #17Junior Guru Wannabe
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As it usually happens in these cases, the guys from Zend hired the MMCache main developer, and I don't think there's going to be any update soon....
I was wondering why MMCache hadn't been updated in a while. I had chalked it up to no new PHP release.
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03-10-2004, 02:08 PM #18Web Hosting Master
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I run MMcache, great program for free, seem to run well with Zend for me.