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03-02-2004, 09:14 PM #1Aspiring Evangelist
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Good Colo Companies with Premium Bandwidth?
Hey peeps,
I am planning to buy a few rackmounts to co-locate at some place but I don't know where yet. I am currently looking for any location throughout the United States with excellent premium bandwidth, uptime, and support. Can anyone recommend me some?
Thanks
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03-02-2004, 09:39 PM #2Carpe Diem
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There are several good datacenters in the US. Depending on where and what budget you have will determine alot.
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03-02-2004, 09:45 PM #3Aspiring Evangelist
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I know they're plenty of places in the U.S. that are good, and knowing that I am looking for premium bandwidth means I am going to probably need to pay a hefty amount which I don't mind.
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03-02-2004, 09:47 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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A few you might consider are
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03-02-2004, 09:54 PM #5Aspiring Evangelist
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Oops, I forgot to mention I am looking for companies that have Premium carrier feeds to their datacenter. For example, like ThePlanet. But I am scouting for other companies besides them.
Sorry, my fault
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03-02-2004, 10:00 PM #6Carpe Diem
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If you want the best Internap is usually on the top of that list.
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03-02-2004, 10:04 PM #7Temporarily Suspended
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You consider the The Planet to have premium carrier feeds?
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03-02-2004, 10:05 PM #8Aspiring Evangelist
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I don't consider ThePlanet to have premium bandwidth, but I was using them as an example of what I was looking for.
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03-05-2004, 07:13 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by lostpacket
You consider the The Planet to have premium carrier feeds?
At least IMHO, the best bandwidth is Internap! It does not come cheap, though.Fluid Hosting, LLC - Enterprise Cloud Infrastructure: Cloud Shared and Reseller, Cloud VPS, and Cloud Hybrid Server
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03-05-2004, 07:33 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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... and planet dropped internap a while ago.
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03-05-2004, 10:20 PM #11Junior Guru Wannabe
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I would go with Equinix. It's the best of all of our datacenters and you can get bandwidth from pretty much anyone there.
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03-05-2004, 10:22 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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Agree with seka, if you need the best and you're on location, Equinix would be your best bet.
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03-06-2004, 07:15 AM #13WHT Addict
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What about XO, does anyone consider their facilities top notch? Just curious!
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03-06-2004, 08:52 AM #14Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by wb-Edgar
What about XO, does anyone consider their facilities top notch? Just curious!
Their facility was poorly lit and had no raised flooring.
I'd rather be at HE than at XO Fremont. That's saying a lot, as HE only has one generator (the staff there couldn't answer the question "What happens if this generator fails?") and I wouldn't consider them anywhere close to premium either.
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03-06-2004, 08:56 AM #15WHT Addict
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Originally posted by Simpli-Erica
That's saying a lot, as HE only has one generator (the staff there couldn't answer the question "What happens if this generator fails?")| Priority support (Since July 2001) | 99.9%+ uptime (Alertra stats available) |
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03-06-2004, 09:50 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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... and planet dropped internap a while ago.Mike @ Xiolink.com
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03-06-2004, 09:59 AM #17Web Hosting Master
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raised floor?
Originally posted by Simpli-Erica
Having toured the XO Fremont facility.........
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Their facility was poorly lit and had no raised flooring.
why the negative on no raised floor - i am interested in your opinion on this. there are obviously two camps on this - I am in the "raised flooring is a hinderance" camp my self
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03-06-2004, 10:20 AM #18Web Hosting Master
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I consider Equinix IBX to be one of the best datacenter and at least on the two IBX I have visited, they to do no have raised flooring.
Raised flooring is old and it no longer offers a unique advantage over non-raised flooring, more and more datacenters are built without raised flooring.Fluid Hosting, LLC - Enterprise Cloud Infrastructure: Cloud Shared and Reseller, Cloud VPS, and Cloud Hybrid Server
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03-06-2004, 12:30 PM #19Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Simpli-Erica
That's saying a lot, as HE only has one generator (the staff there couldn't answer the question "What happens if this generator fails?") and I wouldn't consider them anywhere close to premium either
I will only get into a datacenter that has at least two or three diesel generators. Call me paranoid if you would likeFluid Hosting, LLC - Enterprise Cloud Infrastructure: Cloud Shared and Reseller, Cloud VPS, and Cloud Hybrid Server
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03-06-2004, 12:49 PM #20Junior Guru Wannabe
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What about XO, does anyone consider their facilities top notch? Just curious!
Please see the many other threads on XO.
On the technical side there's disagreement as to whether XO's network is average (abovenet level) or poor (Cogent level), but most agree that XO's service and sales are terrible and that if anything goes wrong it may never be corrected.
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03-06-2004, 02:17 PM #21Web Hosting Master
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Whether or not XO has a well-run IP network (and their poor-by-design IGP costing method tells me a few things about XO's level of engineering competiance); if you order service from them it'll be months before it can be delivered, if at all, even if you are in their own facility. I am an XO customer, and can speak to this with direct experience.
I'd like to know if Seka is or has ever been a direct customer of Cogent. As I've recently posted on another WHT thread, the "Cogent stigma" is created entirely by unhappy downstreams of Cogent, rather than their customers. They are easy to blame because everyone in the hosting industry associates them with fly-by-night hosting outfits that buy a 100Mb/s port and saturate it. That's not the fault of Cogent. I wish folks would consider that before bashing them on public forums. :-)Jeff at Innovative Network Concepts / 212-981-0607 x8579 / AIM: jeffsw6
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03-06-2004, 06:28 PM #22Web Hosting Evangelist
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Re: raised floor?
One argument ("sales pitch") is that a raised floor protects against human error. With network cables and power running both overhead and below, it is impossible for a tech to cut both feeds of a redundant wire. (Humans can't reach both under the floor with one hand and above their heads with the other)
Given that human error is actually the most probable cause of run-of-the-mill outtages/errors, it is a very interesting argument for having raised floors.
Note: for "tech" think "clueless butt-crack electrical contractor" and you start to see the picture...
Originally posted by sailor
hi simpli-erica
why the negative on no raised floor - i am interested in your opinion on this. there are obviously two camps on this - I am in the "raised flooring is a hinderance" camp my self
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03-06-2004, 06:43 PM #23Web Hosting Master
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Raised flooring simplifies cooling as well as providing another route for cable runs. If you have spent time in datacenters both with and without raised floors, you'll probably recall that those with raised flooring were more comfortable to work in than those without.
Why? The chilled air is pumped under the raised floor, and vented floor tiles are used under cabinets or relay racks to allow cool air to flow through them. In a facility without this type of cooling system, the ambient temperature has to be lower, and air circulation rates higher, to keep cabinets full of equipment at a reasonable operating temperature.
Raised floors are also grounded carefully, unlike concrete slabs; and it's typically a bit easier to route electricity under a raised floor, and data cables in overhead cable ladders; though that is not what's always done. If you tour an Equinix IBX, you'll notice the power distribution conduits are up higher than the cable ladders. AC power can induce noise in nearby copper circuits.
There are some advantages to raised flooring, but it's not really a necessity. I'd be much more concerned about the lack of a 3-nines guarantee and the admission of an 1 hour outage in the last 3 months.
Often, folks don't think about how much downtime the three or four nines they get really is. 99.9% uptime per month still allows for 2,592 seconds / month of downtime. webair's guarantee of 99.99999999% uptime (check their WHT posts!) allows for about 3 milliseconds of downtime per year.
Whether or not you actually receive that level of uptime is another issue, but be sure you look at SLA compensation for downtime in excess of the guaranteed maximum, provisions for frequent-but-brief outages, and how each provider measures an outage. It's of no help if they measure it by saying "the backbone is up" if their aggregation switch, which your server or cabinet connects to, goes down! :-)Jeff at Innovative Network Concepts / 212-981-0607 x8579 / AIM: jeffsw6
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03-06-2004, 07:59 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by jsw6
Raised flooring simplifies cooling as well as providing another route for cable runs. If you have spent time in datacenters both with and without raised floors, you'll probably recall that those with raised flooring were more comfortable to work in than those without.
Equinix/SC:
- no raised-floor
- great cool air enforced from above
- high ceiling (~30 feet from floor to ceiling)
- generous space, ~22 sq.ft per cabinet. Works great for additional cooling
CW/JC:
- raised floor
- cooling from above and below
- short ceiling (at most 15 feet from floor to ceiling)
- not so generous space, very cramped. ~14 sq.ft per rack
When I was in those datacenters, Equinix/SC feels cooler than CW/JC. At least, I don't think it's any hotter than CW/JC. In fact, I was standing next to a cage with multiple cabinets full of 1 U servers, each cabinets taking 80 Amps of power. Don't even feel a temperature gradient coming from this cage. Also a quick observation, the cabinet/rack density in EQ/SC is quite a bit higher than that of CW/NJ.
The high ceiling on EQ/SC does help a lot. It's a great place for a high density solutions.
So, yes ... raised flooring can give you additional cooling, so as high ceiling, extra spaces in the datacenter, etc.
Why? The chilled air is pumped under the raised floor, and vented floor tiles are used under cabinets or relay racks to allow cool air to flow through them.
There are some advantages to raised flooring, but it's not really a necessity. I'd be much more concerned about the lack of a 3-nines guarantee and the admission of an 1 hour outage in the last 3 months.
Often, folks don't think about how much downtime the three or four nines they get really is. 99.9% uptime per month still allows for 2,592 seconds / month of downtime. webair's guarantee of 99.99999999% uptime (check their WHT posts!) allows for about 3 milliseconds of downtime per year.
Another thing, what happens when a water sprinkler turns on and wet/soaked the space under the raise-floor? When I am touring Equinix, this is something that the engineer mentioned, the fact that they do not have to worry about any cables getting soaked wet.Fluid Hosting, LLC - Enterprise Cloud Infrastructure: Cloud Shared and Reseller, Cloud VPS, and Cloud Hybrid Server
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03-06-2004, 08:32 PM #25Web Hosting Master
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Re: raised floor?
Originally posted by sailor
hi simpli-erica
why the negative on no raised floor - i am interested in your opinion on this. there are obviously two camps on this - I am in the "raised flooring is a hinderance" camp my self
1) Redundancy. You can run cables both above and below for complete redundancy. If someone comes in and hacks off the top half of your building, you are still fully operational. (Yes, AboveNet guarantees this [I got that quote directly from their facilities manager], and I'm sure they are not the only one.)
2) Cooling with less effort and better prevention against leaks. All chilled water from the chiller system goes under the floor, so if there is a leak, it drains directly under the floor. There is no effect to servers if there is a leak in the chiller system. Also, cooled air can be forced up through the floor, making it much easier to circulate. Remember that AboveNet has open telco-style racks, not cabinets, so this makes cooling much easier as well. The datacenter we are in is kept at a cool 68 at all times. In comparison, XO Fremont runs about 70-71, and HE (which made the mistake of assuming that 30-foot ceilings would do most of the cooling for them) is running at a HOT 74. (Yes, 74!!!)
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