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Old 10-09-2000, 11:00 PM
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I have a question. How do you get your website on the top of the list on sites such as Yahoo? All these webdesigners claim that they will get great search engine position. What are the secrets? can someone help me?

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Old 10-09-2000, 11:31 PM
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This issue is a pain. Just want to get something out of the way first -> you can do what you want, but I'd recommend to never, never, never pay someone to have your site listed on a search engine.

With Altavista, I 'add url' about every 2-3 weeks. I have found that if I do not do this, I receive very few hits from Altavista.

With Google, I just needed to submit my site once (and only the root) and it took 1-2 months to get into their listings. Once this happened, their spider/bot revisits my site each week.

With open directory project (this is used by Lycos, Altavista, AOL, HotBot and others), I just needed to submit to the appopriate category once and received a good listing from an editor.

With Yahoo, it beats me. I have tried different techniques to get listed with Yahoo. Any suggestions?

I'd also recommend to never spam a search engine --- a site would quickly be on their black list and have a lot to lose.

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Old 10-09-2000, 11:33 PM
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NB: Yahoo is now using the Google engine to power searches.

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Old 10-09-2000, 11:35 PM
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Indeed it's a pain. Whenever a client comes to me and asks whether I can get them a top listing, I tell them :

"It depends on whether you're willing to sit on common sense, or whether you're willing to waste an absolute fortune and still not get a guarantee of a top listing".

Quite frankly it is very, very hard to get top listings now and the ways search engines monitor and index (through their algorithms) constantly change to try and beat sneaky fraudsters trying to get their sites up in an illegimate way.

To the original poster : most designers hope they can get a top listing; whether they actually get one at all is another matter completely.

I recommend checking out http://www.searchenginewatch.com constantly for some good info.


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Old 10-10-2000, 05:04 AM
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There's a lot of misinformation, misconceptions, assumptions, and lies about search engine listings. I agree that one should not pay for placement and listings. The people who offer these services seem to have a spammer's mentality, or that of one of the crummy hosts we hear about frequently - promise them anything and get their money.

I have read statements by people who focused on and investigated these services and listings in general. They came to the same conclusion, paying people for listings is worthless.

I suspected search engines were overrated for finding information due to the tremendous amount of listings returned, most in no particular order. Portal sites dealing with the subject are often much better due to their specialized focus. Testimonials by some of my customers confirmed this fact, evne though their listings were in the top 10.

The information about finding methods and search engines at http://websnapshot.com , which I discovered last year, helped confirm my suspicions. Among the search engines, Yahoo has remained substantially ahead of all others. I believe it is because it is principly a directory, rather than a search engine, with neatly catergorized entries, making sites easier to find.

Of course, they utilize a search engine also, just as the search engines have added directories.

One of the things that should make anyone question these listing services is that various search engines use different methods for determining placement order. Some use how many times you list keywords in the text on the page, others use more cryptic algorithms. It is difficult to get a top listing in all of them.

I've been successful (and lucky) at getting a number of my customers in the top 5 on Alta Vista, and near the top on a few others. It wasn't magic (though I wouldn't rule it out), I just read their criteria and followed it.

Incidentally, many of them share the asame IP address, disproving that bit of bogus information (that you need a unique IP to be listed, or get a high listing). I just checked a couple of them earlier tonight. They come up as number 4 using the most common key words, and as high as number 2 for specific products.

With Yahoo, you need to submit a no nonsense, no hyperbole, accurate description, and hope they will include it. Remember, it is reviewed by their editors. Get it right the first time. If it gets included, it is highly unlikely they will ever change it. It took me 6 months (and writing to the vice president) to get them to change the URLS for two customers of mine (about 5 years ago). I've been trying for longer than that to get them to change a description and am about to try other means.

If you read messages at searchengine watch.com, keep in mind that there is a lot of false information. For instance, there are cases where someone with a shared IP spams the search engines, gets blacklisted, and then blames it on the shared IP. The fault is with the spamming, but they don't want to see that or tell others.

I would suggest reading what the search engines say (at least the top ones) about placements, do what they say, and don't break the rules. It's worked for me, and some of my customers have two listings in the top 10 on Altavista.

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Old 10-11-2000, 01:00 PM
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Question Search Engines Index Which .xxx pages ?

I hope I'm not shifting the conversation too much, but I think this is relevant. Obviously, search engines index .htm, .html and .shtml pages. However, I am unsure if other pages, such as .pl, .cgi, .jsp, .(blank), or .php receive the same treatment for indexing.
The reason I am unsure is because a search engine could index such pages based on its code rather than its HTTP output. Moreover, while using search engines I notice that 99% of the time, the results are .html/.htm pages (or scripts provided as the .index or .default page).
Any information out there about the treatment of non-html pages by various search engines/portals? Are they indexed and will they come up on search results?
While a dynamically generated site has its advantages, I wonder if this is one of the disadvantages.

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Old 10-11-2000, 02:46 PM
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nope

As far as Im aware there isnt any search engines wichi will index those type of pages.

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Old 10-11-2000, 03:32 PM
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Agreed.

The search engines handle static, rather than dynamic pages. Some even mention this on their site. Some even cache pages retrieved by their engine.

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