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    Angry Talk about blatant...

    Hi All,

    I thought I might post a little note about this... just in case anyone was considering signing up with this company.

    Have a look at this site:
    http://www.hayescom.com/

    And then have a look at ours:
    http://www.site5.com/

    I have never seen such an obvious case copyright infringement in my life. They didn't even bother to remove the "Site5" from the sidebar on the front page. 90% of their content is copied verbatim.

    Rest assured that this "company" will be hearing from our lawyer if this isn't removed shortly.

    Regards,
    Matt Lightner
    mlightner@site5.com
    Last edited by Matt Lightner; 10-24-2001 at 06:17 PM.
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    Yeah, really "nice". They even copied major parts of their offerings including text.
    Copy-don't-think.

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    Sad

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    I'm surprised they didn't register the domain site6.com so they would have less to change.......

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    Notice the graphic on the left? It still says "Site5".
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    Or setup sitefive.com or site-5.com*

    Say...are they resellers of yours? That could explain it.



    *runs off to register site-5.com

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    Nope... not even a reseller. Someone asked our sales dept today if we were the same company or if it was some kind of scam.

    I haven't heard anything about them on WHT either... so they must be pretty small.
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    - Founder and CEO (Former) Site5.com, sold in 2008
    - Really honestly wants to be a good WHT citizen but can never remember all the correct etiquette. Mods, sorry in advance

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    they are using even the same image names..
    C'mon, at least change them..
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    404 for:
    http://www.hayescom.net/services/order.asp
    May be they are still searching for credit card merchant services...

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    Check this http://www.hayescom.net

    that's why the order page is down, it's suppose to be .com

    It's the same company/guy "Olliver Price" , have the .net and moving to .com
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    Originally posted by Site5-Matt
    Nope... not even a reseller. Someone asked our sales dept today if we were the same company or if it was some kind of scam.

    I haven't heard anything about them on WHT either... so they must be pretty small.
    63.136.184.0 - 63.136.185.255
    Hayes Communications
    2280 Grand Avenue
    Baldwin, Ny 11510
    US

    This company own many IP...

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    I emailed them asking if site5 copied them, heh... be sure to save site and screen capture. Really about as sad as it gets (love the site5 name going up the side, really swift). Their other site is horrid however, and they claim to design web sites (yeeeek), I wonder how many they've 'designed' before? Might want to shoot an email to the BBB.
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    LOL, they didn't even do a good job of copying....
    the .net address, those buttons on the left were made by a flash generator at guistuff.com lol.
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    The .net says copyright 1995-2001 yet the site wasnt registered till 1998

    the .com was 96

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    Matt,
    Any updates on that website??
    Just checked it again and it's still there..
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    Hi Joana,

    We have been trying to contact them to no avail. We are still working on the issue, however. We will be sending notice to their mailing address today, so we shall see.

    Matt
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    - Founder and CEO (Former) Site5.com, sold in 2008
    - Really honestly wants to be a good WHT citizen but can never remember all the correct etiquette. Mods, sorry in advance

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    A registered mail I hope..
    Thanks for the update and hopefully you will be able to sort things out soon.
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    Re: Talk about blatant...

    Originally posted by Site5-Matt
    Rest assured that this "company" will be hearing from our lawyer if this isn't removed shortly.
    This thing I never understand ... why give them a chance to take down the stolen site? It's like telling a robber that has been just caught stealing something "hey, if you don't return that, I will have police arrest you" ... Matt, just contact your lawyer and sue them badly! why wait?

    cheers,

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    Well, we're not really in this to sue anyone. All we want is for the site to be taken down. Getting into a huge legal skirmish is time-consuming, and chances are that they will take it down upon our request.

    If for some reason, they refuse to comply with our requests, then we will seek legal action.

    Matt
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    - First initial to the last name at the mail service provided by the world's largest search engine
    - Founder and CEO (Former) Site5.com, sold in 2008
    - Really honestly wants to be a good WHT citizen but can never remember all the correct etiquette. Mods, sorry in advance

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    does anyone know where to find a letter to send to someone that has stolen your copyrighted material? because i am spending a lot of money on my site and if i ever see my site stolen i will not hesitate to mail them that letter.

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    Lol - obviously they are not doing to well in business with regard to hosting - they have one of those banner-exchange banners at the bottom of the site... hehe, I bet that makes more money with people clicking on it, than they do from hosting customers...

    Let us know how the situation is resolved, Matt


    Matt

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    Originally posted by one_web
    does anyone know where to find a letter to send to someone that has stolen your copyrighted material?
    Here's one that might do the trick:

    http://www.lawforinternet.com/pdf/en...rade_extra.pdf

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    that link doesnt work for me

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    I think they are masters in using Teleport Pro but there it ends.

    I believe that everybody copies things and ideas in a way and I really don't mind people doing something with someone elses ideas to make it even better or ad something personal to it or twist it a couple degrees but this is a really sad case of a one-on-one copy.

    It amazes me that there are still some people thinking they can get away with it but that is probably because some people do get away with it every day :-(

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    Re: Talk about blatant...

    Aloha
    well I must say these pages
    http://www.hayescom.net/services/hosting.asp
    http://www.site5.com/services/shared/comparison.html

    totally dif

    (joking of course)
    man what are they thinking well guys lets trade sides of the little icons and we can do that little piece of text black (oh we wanted white but can't figure out how to do it well get out there and figure out how site5 did it !!!

    the fact they tried to save your graphics after editing as jpg files shows that they are idiots
    man hope all these copy people just get there fingers chopped off so they can't do this anymore !!!!
    arghhhh

    added
    also as Chicken said love the site5 on the side
    dohhhh

    on another note if you want to go after someone with a lawyer involved dont try anything on your own if you let the company know you are coming they have time to build up a defense if you just come in and hit them they didn't know it was coming.
    Last edited by Honu; 10-30-2001 at 05:18 PM.
    Aloha, Chad
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    To do a move in such a way that no one suspects let alone detects !!!

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