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[Torith]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...a_040122153631

Its not really big news, but maybe it will be a start of something?

[Vox Hosting]

Good.

[adorno]

A 'largely-symbolic resolution.' is totally useless and has no teeth and cannot be used in a court of law or to defy a federal law.

Only the liberal activists in those communities take such dumb actions.

If I were to fit the profile of a terrorist, and I don't have anything to hide, then I wouldn't mind being investigated for the greater good of the community.

There is a price to pay for security, expecially after 9-11. As long as my constitutional rights are not violated, then I'm willing to make some sacrifices.

[Asci]

Originally posted by adorno

There is a price to pay for security, expecially after 9-11. As long as my constitutional rights are not violated, then I'm willing to make some sacrifices.

As are most Americans. However, the Patriot Act comes amazingly close if not crossing the line of constitutionality.

[adorno]

Originally posted by Asci
As are most Americans. However, the Patriot Act comes amazingly close if not crossing the line of constitutionality.

Rest assured that as soon as a law or act violates somebody's constitutional rights, it will be brought before a federal court. If the Partiot Act violates anybody's civil rights, please indicate so. Don't offer perceptions, offer proof.

[Asci]

There are currently several pending cases challenging the constitutionality of the Patriot Act.

See:
Humanitarian Law Project v. Ashcroft
EDIT: MCA, et al. v. Ashcroft and Mueller


And I’m sure you will find many more waiting to be tried with regards to section 215 of the Patriot Act.

[adorno]

Originally posted by Asci
There are currently several pending cases challenging the constitutionality of the Patriot Act.

See:
Humanitarian Law Project v. Ashcroft
EDIT: MCA, et al. v. Ashcroft and Mueller


And I’m sure you will find many more waiting to be tried with regards to section 215 of the Patriot Act.

Asci:

I would be interested to see if those 'pending' cases actually get to court and what do you think are the chances of them actually winning.

Question: since I don't currently have the time, can you please inform me as to who brought the cases, and what political affiliations they have?

Don't get me wrong, if any law or act is unscontitional then it should be repealed, no matter how I or anybody else feels about it. What I don't like is attacking a law or people simply for political reasons.

[Asci]

Originally posted by adorno
Asci:
I would be interested to see if those 'pending' cases actually get to court and what do you think are the chances of them actually winning.

They've already gone to court in MCA, et al. v. Ashcroft and Mueller. The defendants have moved for the case to be dismissed and the plaintiffs have responded yet no decision has been made.

I really think there is a strong case with regards to section 215 of the act, as it seems to violate the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments to the U.S. constitution.

Question: since I don't currently have the time, can you please inform me as to who brought the cases, and what political affiliations they have?

Again in MCA, et al. v. Ashcroft and Mueller - The case is being fought by the Muslim Community Association of Ann Arbor and is being backed by the American Civil Liberties Union. I do not believe either organization takes a particular political stance.

I’m not so sure about Humanitarian Law Project v. Ashcroft, there isn’t much information available about it excluding the 50+ page court documents which I don’t have the time to read summarize.

What I don't like is attacking a law or people simply for political reasons.

I'll definitely agree with you on that point. However, if you read the Patriot Act, it really does give the government some very disturbing power.

[adorno]

Asci:

The 'Muslim Community Association' is not representative of the population at large. They are, however, one of the 'stereotyped' groups of people who would be targets for investigation. But again, if they have nothing to hide, then they should have no fear unless their civil rights are actually violated.

The ACLU has lately taken mostly liberal issues to court. When a case actually violates our liberties, then I support that. But the ACLU has taken on cases of dubious merit.

Nevertheless, I'm glad the ACLU exists, but not everything they undertake is of importance or merit.

As a republican, I want government off my back as much as possible. But, sometimes sacrifices have to be made.

[JWise]

I don't trust Bush.. To me, its like hes using the terrorist name to try to sneak his way into something else.

[Asci]

Originally posted by adorno
But again, if they have nothing to hide, then they should have no fear unless their civil rights are actually violated.

Indeed, and that is the entire point of the case. Their civil liberties are being violated.

The ACLU has lately taken mostly liberal issues to court. When a case actually violates our liberties, then I support that. But the ACLU has taken on cases of dubious merit.

I often do not agree with the cases the ACLU goes after and I've spoken with the President of our local chapter and even he dislikes some of them. However, when the time comes -- they are there to defend civil rights.

As a republican, I want government off my back as much as possible. But, sometimes sacrifices have to be made.

Benjamin Franklin once observed, "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." I should not and will not sacrifice my civil rights nor the rights of others in the name of supposed security.

[Q_Max]

Get rid of this unconstitutional, un-American act! Bush sickens me more everyday.

[adorno]

Originally posted by Asci

Benjamin Franklin once observed, "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." I should not and will not sacrifice my civil rights nor the rights of others in the name of supposed security.

Benjamin Franklin had no idea about what today's world would be like.

But again, you're misunderstanding me. I will not sacrifice my constitutional rights. Being subjected to searches or suspicions because you fit a specific profile is not the same as giving up your rights. As a hispanic, people sometimes mistake me for a middle-easterner, but I don't mind. If I were to be stopped at an airport because they thought I was up to something, I would be willing to submit to a search because I had nothing to hide.

[Mesum]

To everyone who are saying that it's ok for them to search you if you have nothing to hide but ever thought that how many times a middle eastern person has been victimized of same thing over and over?

Let me tell you I am half Arab but I have got 100% of my father's side who is Arab and almost every 3rd day someone makes an ignorant comment to me or every time I go to a gov building, I happened to be the "random search".

Let's face it, after 9-11 the America has changed it's hate towards Muslims more than anything.......... THANK YOU MR. BUSH!
But then again, I have seen same thing happening to Blacks, Hispanics and Orientals.

I personally believe that Bush has got himself to so deep crap about spreading hate against Muslims that he knows he can not get out ever.
So all he is doing is going deeper and deeper..... Let's all hope it ends soon.

[JWise]

Now, all of the minorities will be searched because we look "suspicious"