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Old 01-11-2004, 03:14 AM
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RIAA "cops" take it to the streets of LA


JANUARY 9 - 15, 2004
Music Industry Puts Troops in the Streets
Quasi-legal squads raid street vendors
by Ben Sullivan

Though no guns were brandished, the bust from a distance looked like classic LAPD, DEA or FBI work, right down to the black "raid" vests the unit members wore. The fact that their yellow stenciled lettering read "RIAA" instead of something from an official law-enforcement agency was lost on 55-year-old parking-lot attendant Ceasar Borrayo.

The Recording Industry Association of America is taking it to the streets.

Even as it suffers setbacks in the courtroom, the RIAA has over the last 18 months built up a national staff of ex-cops to crack down on people making and selling illegal CDs in the hood.

The result has been a growing number of scenes like the one played out in Silver Lake just before Christmas, during an industry blitz to combat music piracy.

Borrayo attends to a parking lot next to the landmark El 7 Mares fish-taco stand on Sunset Boulevard. To supplement his buck-a-car income, he began, in 2003, selling records and videos from a makeshift stand in front of the lot.

In a good week, Borrayo said, he might unload five or 10 albums and a couple DVDs at $5 apiece. Paying a distributor about half that up-front, he thought he’d lucked into a nice side business.

The RIAA saw it differently. Figuring the discs were bootlegs, a four-man RIAA squad descended on his stand a few days before Christmas and persuaded the 4-foot-11 Borrayo to hand over voluntarily a total of 78 discs. It wasn’t a tough sell.

"They said they were police from the recording industry or something, and next time they’d take me away in handcuffs," he said through an interpreter. Borrayo says he has no way of knowing if the records, with titles like Como Te Extraño Vol. IV — Musica de los 70’s y 80’s, are illegal, but he thought better of arguing the point.

The RIAA acknowledges it all — except the notion that its staff presents itself as police. Yes, they may all be ex-P.D. Yes, they wear cop-style clothes and carry official-looking IDs. But if they leave people like Borrayo with the impression that they’re actual law enforcement, that’s a mistake.

"We want to be very clear who we are and what we’re doing," says John Langley, Western regional coordinator for the RIAA Anti-Piracy Unit. "First and foremost, we’re professionals."

Langley, based in Los Alamitos, California, oversees five staff investigators and around 20 contractors who sniff out bootleg discs west of the Rockies. The former Royal Canadian Mountie said his unit’s on-the-streets approach has been a big success, netting more than 100,000 pieces of unauthorized merchandise during the recent Christmas retail blitz.

With all the trappings of a police team, including pink incident reports that, among other things, record a vendor’s height, weight, hair and eye color, the RIAA squad can give those busted the distinct impression they’re tangling with minions of Johnny Law instead of David Geffen. And that raises some potential legal questions.

Contacted for this article, the Southern California branch of the American Civil Liberties Union said it needed more information on the practices to know if specific civil liberties were at risk.

But if an anti-piracy team crossed the line between looking like cops and implying or telling vendors that they are cops, the Los Angeles Police Department would take a pretty dim view, said LAPD spokesman Jason Lee.

"I will not say it’s okay to be [selling] illegal stuff," Lee said. "That’s a violation of penal codes.

"But it doesn’t really matter what your status is. If that person feels he was wrongly interrogated or under the false pretense that these people were cops, they should contact their local police station as a victim. We’ll sort it all out."

For its part, the RIAA maintains that the up-close-and-personal techniques are nothing new. RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy says its investigators do not represent themselves as police, and that the incident reports vendors are asked to sign, in which they agree to hand over their discs, explicitly state that the forfeiture is voluntary.

Lamy and the RIAA are unapologetic about taking the fight against music piracy to the streets. Though the association has suffered a few high-profile legal setbacks in recent months — most notably when a three-judge panel ruled that Internet service providers do not have to squeal on their file-swapping customers — community action is extremely effective.

Langley says the anti-piracy teams have about an 80 percent success rate in persuading vendors to hand over their merchandise voluntarily for destruction.

"We notify them that continued sale would be a violation of civil and criminal codes. If they’d like to voluntarily turn the product over to us, we’ll destroy it, and we agree we won’t sue," he explained.

The pink incident sheets and photos that Langley’s teams take of vendors are meant to establish a paper trail, particularly for repeat offenders.

"A large percentage [of the vendors] are of a Hispanic nature," Langley said. "Today he’s Jose Rodriguez, tomorrow he’s Raul something or other, and tomorrow after that he’s something else. These people change their identity all the time. A picture’s worth a thousand words."

Though Langley says he doesn’t know what tack his new boss will take, the recent hiring of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Director Bradley Buckles to head the anti-piracy unit has some RIAA watchers holding their breath.

On its face, the move looks like a shift toward even more in-your-face enforcement. But don’t expect all RIAA critics to rally to the side of Borrayo and other sellers.

"The process of confiscating bootleg CDs from street vendors is exactly what the RIAA should be doing," said Jason Schultz, a staff attorney for the San Francisco–based Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF).

The EFF has frequently crossed swords with the record industry over its strategy of suing ISPs and individual listeners accused of downloading tunes from the Internet. A champion of copyright "fair use," the EFF says Buckles could bring a more balanced approach to the RIAA’s anti-piracy efforts. The more time the association spends rousting vendors, the thinking goes, the less it will spend subpoenaing KaZaa and BearShare aficionados.

Meanwhile, Borrayo will have to keep his eyes open for another source of income. Though he says he still sees nothing wrong with what he did, the guy who once supplied him records hasn’t been around in a couple months.

"They tried to scare me," Borrayo said. "They told me, ‘You’re a pirate!’ I said, ‘C’mon, guys, pirates are all at sea. I just work in a parking lot.’ "

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Old 01-11-2004, 03:27 AM
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Man they're out of control. They would freak out if they were in Bangkok. I was there last March and they're selling pirated CD's and DVD's of any kind!

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Old 01-11-2004, 04:14 AM
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They need to head to Bangkok. Also at some flea markets there is some pirates selling discs for $5 or less.

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Old 01-11-2004, 04:38 AM
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I doubt they'd be take too seriously in Bangkok since they are "The Recording Industry Association of America" They've got borderline rights of athourity here in the US.. They will laugh them out of the country!

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Old 01-11-2004, 04:45 AM
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well I am luckily not in america. Not that I copy CDs or anything

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Old 01-11-2004, 07:49 AM
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Meh, a board I'm on got a letter from RIAA (dutch board) saying they should close down FTP section and if anything (ANYTHING) illegal will be discussed they would have a lawsuit on their hands (the owners).

Frankly I am quite disturbed with the power America has in the Netherlands....

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Old 01-11-2004, 08:19 AM
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Thailand doesn't recognize national/international copyright laws of anykind.. Hell even the beer is fake..

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Old 01-11-2004, 08:20 AM
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Which would be absolutely none, unless that particular board is hosted on a US server, in which case they would be in their right to shut it down and persue the owner/operator. If the board was also hosted in the Netherlands, all they could do is contact their Dutch counterparts and/or Dutch law enforcement.

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Old 01-11-2004, 11:30 AM
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They've gone too far. If I remember correctly when I wanted to become a police officer you have to have a search warrant. I believe only government offices such as the police, fbi, etc can only obtain it, so the question is why isn't the RIAA in trouble for possibly a illegal search and seizure?

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Old 01-11-2004, 11:37 AM
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They've gone too far. If I remember correctly when I wanted to become a police officer you have to have a search warrant. I believe only government offices such as the police, fbi, etc can only obtain it, so the question is why isn't the RIAA in trouble for possibly a illegal search and seizure?
Because they are on the streets, In the public. They are not doing it behind closed doors or on Private property..

Do the police need a search warrent to nail a drug dealer on the corner?

Basically what the RIAA is doing is a Legal form of Extortion.

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Old 01-11-2004, 12:04 PM
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This is scary, but at least I don't sell stuff on the street

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Old 01-11-2004, 12:31 PM
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Because they are on the streets, In the public. They are not doing it behind closed doors or on Private property..

Do the police need a search warrent to nail a drug dealer on the corner?

Basically what the RIAA is doing is a Legal form of Extortion.
the police aint a private organisation

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Old 01-11-2004, 12:39 PM
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If I were the RIAA, I'd be doing everything I could to better my relationship with the various law enforcement agencies. I don't think taking matters into their own hands and playing 'cops' is going to do much to help that relationship.

All they seem to be achieving is milking the small fries for everything they have and then saying it's for everybodies benefit, while all they are doing is lacing their own pockets. If the US is so against dictators, how come they allow such an entity to exhist in their own country, as IMHO, the RIAA is starting to act like a dictatorship. What's next? An RIAA presidential candidate who'll shut down the internet as soon as he buys his way into office?

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Old 01-11-2004, 12:40 PM
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the police aint a private organisation
Ok let me clarify somethings for you then.

They don't need a search warrent or anything, because all they are doing is going up to street vendors (on public property) and telling them, Destroy this ILLEGAL material or we will take legal actions aginst you.

They are pretty much copyright bounty hunters.. And if you do some research on Bounty Hunters, they have a much much farther reach than The police, FBI, Sherriffs, or Marshals..

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Old 01-11-2004, 12:47 PM
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They don't need a search warrent or anything, because all they are doing is going up to street vendors (on public property) and telling them, Destroy this ILLEGAL material or we will take legal actions aginst you.

They are pretty much copyright bounty hunters.. And if you do some research on Bounty Hunters, they have a much much farther reach than The police, FBI, Sherriffs, or Marshals..
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