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    PETA's Latest Tactic

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    Animal rights advocates will single out small children at performances of ``The Nutcracker'' in the next few weeks by handing out fliers saying ``Your Mommy Kills Animals'' to youngsters whose mothers are wearing fur.

    ``Children can't look up to a mom in a battered-raccoon hat or a crushed coyote collar,'' said Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. ``Maybe when they're confronted by their own children's hurt looks, fur-wearers' cold hearts will melt.''

    The fliers include a color drawing of a woman plunging a large bloody knife into the belly of a terrified rabbit. The fliers urge kids to ``ask your mommy how many dead animals she killed to make her fur clothes.

    ``And the sooner she stops wearing fur, the sooner the animals will be safe. Until then, keep your doggie or kitty friends away from mommy - she's an animal killer.''
    Here's a copy of the flyer:

    http://www.furisdead.com/mommykills300.pdf

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    People still wear fur?

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    100% in support.

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    That article is old, 4 days old.

    I heard it around 5 days ago.
    Don't look for a way out.

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    Oh god that flyer is bloody, shame on the PETA :|

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    This is ridiculous...
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    Pretty obvious they care about animals but don't care squat about children.

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    Originally posted by is0lized
    That article is old, 4 days old.

    I heard it around 5 days ago.
    Me too. But it hasn't been posted about, has it? I'm quite sure some people have not heard.

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    That's what "Google News" is for
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    I put the PETA people in the same group as those that offer unlimited bandwidth.

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    If a racial minority such as an Inuit group were to wear fur, would PETA therefore condemn them, too? Curious - we don;t have PETA in the UK.

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    I do not like many things that PETA does, but I agree with this one 100%.

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    omg, I am all for animal welfare but PETA is too extreme

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    Haha, I'd be in jail for assault and battery SO FAST.

    I guess I'm a minority here when I say I like leather, got leather seats in my wife's mini van Own a couple leather jackets. Not crazy about fur coats mainly because a good one is quite expensive and a bitch to clean. I like a good steak, I fish, don't hunt much but it's nothing against hunting just got other things to do than trudge thru the cold woods, though I won't turn down venison from my hunter friends though.

    I guess my outlook is animals are and have been used by humans since forever, and while I don't agree with abusing an animal however a good quick kill is just part of life. For much of what we eat/use/wear something has to die, sorry if that offends someone. If you're not comfortable with it, then go vegan, quit wearing leather, most makeups, and many other products, it's YOUR conscience and if it's harmed by using animal products then do what's right by YOU and quit using them. Me personally, I'll keep on hitting Logan's on saturday afternoons for that badass 20oz porterhouse while wearing my leather jacket and sitting on my leather seats getting there And if I see a good deal on a nice fur coat my wife will be wearing one
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    Originally posted by Dixiesys
    Haha, I'd be in jail for assault and battery SO FAST.

    I guess I'm a minority here when I say I like leather, got leather seats in my wife's mini van Own a couple leather jackets. Not crazy about fur coats mainly because a good one is quite expensive and a bitch to clean. I like a good steak, I fish, don't hunt much but it's nothing against hunting just got other things to do than trudge thru the cold woods, though I won't turn down venison from my hunter friends though.

    I guess my outlook is animals are and have been used by humans since forever, and while I don't agree with abusing an animal however a good quick kill is just part of life. For much of what we eat/use/wear something has to die, sorry if that offends someone. If you're not comfortable with it, then go vegan, quit wearing leather, most makeups, and many other products, it's YOUR conscience and if it's harmed by using animal products then do what's right by YOU and quit using them. Me personally, I'll keep on hitting Logan's on saturday afternoons for that badass 20oz porterhouse while wearing my leather jacket and sitting on my leather seats getting there And if I see a good deal on a nice fur coat my wife will be wearing one
    I completely agree with every statement there ... except I go to Dakota Steakhouse for my steak.
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    I just finished eating chicken wings. PETA needs to be classified as an extremist group. I've nothing against environmentalists like Greenpeace, but what I eat and what I wear is my business.

    So screw you PETA and your stupid flyers.

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    I'm shocked all the groups against violence in the media aren't stepping up to the plate on this one. That frontpage is horrific.
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    If they did that during the performance of Nutcracker, they deserve to have their nuts cracked

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    I totally agree with Chicken.

    The person handing out the flyer would be well advised to have a good pair of Nike sneakers on, because i'm quite a fast runner.
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    Gotta agree with the chicken too. It's a low tactic ... but I'm not surprised. It is PETA we are talking about.

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    I have reason to doubt that chicken would really physically beat someone over this but I'm sure he'd give 'em a mouthful
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    I'd just thank the person that gave my child the flyer and kindly advise him to find a good lawyer, as mine would be contacting him within the next 24 hours to discuss the pending lawsuit. After that I'd contact PETA and tell them the same thing.

    Shame on them to go after children. They're not the cause and should certainly not be exposed to this kind of propaganda.

    Killing animals for luxury goods is wrong, but harming the fragile minds of young children is far worse.
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    Originally posted by JustinH
    Overprotectiveness of children certainly isn't a character flaw. Being unable to control your rage over a stupid piece of paper would not only be a character flaw, but a serious problem with your state of mind.

    I can't say I'm surprised by all the "I agree with Chicken's". It's easy to say what action you would take, but a lot more difficult confronting that situation. So tell me for all the "I agree's", you think beating someone to the point of a hospital visit would have a lessor impact on your children then a silly piece of paper they probably wouldn't even get? Didn't think so...
    That's where you and I differ then. The thing is, i would class that "silly piece of paper" as an exploitation of a child's ever expanding mind.

    The picture of a rabbit with a knife in it's gut is disgusting, and has no place in an adult word, let alone a child's. Children naturally love animals, so seeing one of these little critters with a knife in it, with the message that his/her parents did it, would possibly even cause the youngster to have nightmares, and develop a genuine hate for their parents, based on the vulgarity of the flyer.

    I find it confusing that you would physically protect a child against physical danger, but not mental danger. In my opinion, both have the same ramifications.
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    It is exactly this type of behavior that has lead to the negative image of PETA. What once was a morally minded groupd with good goals has become nothing but a bunch of extremist crackpots.

    I am sure PETA has many serious members working hard to prevent animal cruelty. But this is all but over shadowed by the crazier behavior. In the long run this will only hurt PETA where it counts, monetary donations.

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    Originally posted by Tazzman
    I'd just thank the person that gave my child the flyer and kindly advise him to find a good lawyer, as mine would be contacting him within the next 24 hours to discuss the pending lawsuit. After that I'd contact PETA and tell them the same thing.

    Shame on them to go after children. They're not the cause and should certainly not be exposed to this kind of propaganda.

    Killing animals for luxury goods is wrong, but harming the fragile minds of young children is far worse.
    Well said... very well said. PETA would much rather you punched the person in the face, but a lawsuit is something they certainly don't want.

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    That's where you and I differ then. The thing is, i would class that "silly piece of paper" as an exploitation of a child's ever expanding mind.

    The picture of a rabbit with a knife in it's gut is disgusting, and has no place in an adult word, let alone a child's. Children naturally love animals, so seeing one of these little critters with a knife in it, with the message that his/her parents did it, would possibly even cause the youngster to have nightmares, and develop a genuine hate for their parents, based on the vulgarity of the flyer.

    I find it confusing that you would physically protect a child against physical danger, but not mental danger. In my opinion, both have the same ramifications.
    I would agree, it is an exploitation of a child's mind. Regardless... that isn't illegal. I think you are blowing this way out of proportion with the "genuine hate" for their parents. It's a piece of paper, once taken away, the child would easily forget about.

    I would certainly protect my child both mentally and physically. If they were in physical danger, I would protect them physically. If they were in danger of mental anguish, I would simply sit down and talk to them about what that flyer means and why it doesn't apply to us and explain that the people that did this were very wrong... then I'd be calling my lawyer.

    I certainly don't believe physical violence (especially in front of the child you are attempting to protect) is going to help the issue. If anything, it would multiply the problem to a much higher degree. These days children can go pick up a book that has far worse images in it then that flyer. You going to go beat up the librarian for that?
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    Originally posted by sasha
    So, the true is not always preety, it still needs to be told. If this works to save some animals from becoming a coat for some ritch bitch, then Go PETA.
    Wow, so messing with a childs mental state is more important then animals lives?

    When did animals get more rights then me? It's ridiculous that this is even being debated. This is down right wrong!
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    Wow, so messing with a childs mental state is more important then animals lives?

    When did animals get more rights then me? It's ridiculous that this is even being debated. This is down right wrong!
    Flier is just stating the facts in a manner that children can understand them. Yes it is preety rough. Kids will get over it in a few days, and mom's will think better when they go shopping for coat next time.

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    Originally posted by JustinH
    You're just being silly now... by your logic, anything being handed to your children is being "forced" on them, right? Or does that only apply when you don't agree with the content of the item being handed to them?
    I think an adult should have more sense than to give something that they know full well is going to upset a child. Don't you?
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    It's just very annoying when it seems that animals have more rights then humans.

    I didn't see this much propoganda going around when Saddam was killing his PEOPLE.
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    Originally posted by KIAHost
    It's just very annoying when it seems that animals have more rights then humans.

    I didn't see this much propoganda going around when Saddam was killing his PEOPLE.
    Not many animals use people as decorative clothing, so it would seem people are still winning.

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    What i'm saying is that in today's day and age our priorities are messed up when we have people striving for animal rights when there are alot of human rights issues going on that deserve the same attention if not more.
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    Originally posted by sasha
    Not many animals use people as decorative clothing, so it would seem people are still winning.
    We "won" a long time ago, when we began using tools and climbed outta the trees. It's been all downhill from there.

    Animals serve our needs, much like plants, and everything else on this planet (oil fields pumping the blood from the earth! yeah).

    If YOU are against this then fine, quit using animals, but I don't CARE what you say, I'm gonna keep eating my steak medium, and wearing my leather, and you can keep the pictures of dying animals to yourself, I've killed and dressed enough animals I know what's involved in killing, bleeding, and gutting an animal and no, you're not allowed to hand my child what amounts to propaganda, he's MY child and what he sees and watches and learns is MY business and I plan on him growing up to be a meat eating conservative American just like his daddy. I already have his first shotgun waiting on him to get old enough to hold it steady (I got mine at 7).

    And don't worry, he'll know EXACTLY what's involved to make that fur coat or his sausage and biscuit, he'll be going with me when I take sausage and bacon to the slaughter house late next year after we top 'em out, and when I go fishing he'll help me clean the fish. So you can keep your little "mommy kills animals" propaganda to yourself, mommy ain't got NOTHING on daddy in this family.

    It's funny when we go to the pet store, all mice and other fuzzies are judged by whether or not they're small enough for my snakes to eat "he's too big for the snakes to eat daddy" "yes he is son, but the snakes are growing fast and they'll be able to eat that rabbit soon" "cool daddy can I watch them when they eat a rabbit?" "of course".

    The point is, it's MY choice how he learns about animals and their relationship with mankind and not yours or PETA's or his teachers. Just like it's my responsibility to teach him about sex, drugs, and other subjects.
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    Group's such as "PETA" lose all credibility in my opinion the minute they lose focus and start becoming terrorists instead of protestors. It is the human right to voice your opinion and stand up for what you believe in however handing out fliers which depict that childs mother stabbing a rabbit with a knife to children is just wrong. The means being would use in this case to get PETA's message across is not justified and this will not be well received. I have heard the rumors of this for some time now and I sincerely hope PETA has more brains than to do something like this, they already have people who are considered terrorists in their organization and this is certainly another step in that direction.

    By the way, I can't say with 100% certainty that if someone handed out this flier to my child in my presence that I wouldn't beat the living hell out of them, at a bare minimum I'd be in their face. If that's an indicator of my level of maturity then so be it.
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    1) PETA is a an extremist group that support terrorism by funneling money to Animal Rights groups that comment acts of violence. That in itself is enough for me to dislike them.

    2) Anyone handing my kid ANYTHING, be it PETA or Santa Claus would have to hand it to me first or as Gary stated....end up in ER.

    3) How would PETA parents like it if I hung out at their kids school and handed out pamplets that said "Your mommy and daddy are terrorist...stay away from them, call the police now!" and showed pictures of building being blown up and people dismembered? PETA has been documented as a illicit funder of the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and possibly the Earth Liberation Front (ELF), both terrorist groups identified by the FBI.

    Probably wouldn't care for that now would they.

    Regardless of anyones stance on animal rights, this is child explotiation, pure and simple. I would simply explain to my kid that the people handing out the flyers are dope addicts and to stay away from them...they are evil people and will molest little boys and girls..and I would say it RIGHT in front of them....who's a kid going to believe? Their parents or some wild eyed freak handing out gross and disgusting pamplets?

    As for me,,,sitting in my nice leather chair, looking at my deerskin coat in closet...going to have me a hamburger now...
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    I put PETA's tactics in the same board as RIAA's tactics...
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    If you guys are so proud of your fur coats, I do not see why would you not show that flier to your kids on your own. It only states the truth that you are so proud of anyway. And please do not extend this argument to burgers and shoes. It is about PETA's tactic against FUR CLOTHING.

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    Originally posted by sasha
    If you guys are so proud of your fur coats, I do not see why would you not show that flier to your kids on your own. It only states the truth that you are so proud of anyway. And please do not extend this argument to burgers and shoes. It is about PETA's tactic against FUR CLOTHING.
    I probably WOULD show it to my child, so we could make fun of the silly people, but again this is my choice, I'm not going to try and sugar coat it for him, "hey a rabbit DIED so you could have those fur lined gloves son, so don't go losing them". Fur, burgers, or shoes, something died to make it, fail to see the difference really.
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    Originally posted by ArtieFishill
    1) PETA is a an extremist group that support terrorism by funneling money to Animal Rights groups that comment acts of violence. That in itself is enough for me to dislike them.
    If you would like to call it that, nice. I support anything that tries to stop animal testing, fur products, etc.


    Animals SHOULD NOT be killed for anything other than food.

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    Originally posted by Silencer MWY
    If you would like to call it that, nice. I support anything that tries to stop animal testing, fur products, etc.


    Animals SHOULD NOT be killed for anything other than food.
    Well I'm not too hip on animal testing for crap like make up, but there's a lot of medical advancements we owe to animal testing.

    I also think animals that are killed should be used as completely as possible, fur (or leather), their meat, and any other products that can be made from them. Just killing an animal for fur and throwing the rest away isn't really cool either. Though I reckon all those mink are surely used for something (dog food maybe?).

    Oh and I don't support "anything" that tries to stop it, but I do support anything "legal". Firebombing a mink ranch is not legal, handing fliers to young children that are potentially disturbing probably violates some law or another (hell you can be arrested for selling someone under 17 an M rated video game so surely handing a young kid a "your mommy is a murderer" flier will not be cool either legally).
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