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[Charter]

Hi. I am wondering if it would be worth it to place paid advertising on my site. Here's a pic of the stats. What would be a fair price?

[Rob83]

Those stats are useless.

[Charter]

Hi. Useless as in worth zero, or useless in that a different pic is needed?

[MDJ2000]

Rob could've been more informative.

Useless, as in you need a legitimate 3rd party to support your stats.

[Charter]

Hi. Sorry for the newbie question, but how do I get a legitimate 3rd party to support my stats?

[Rob83]

Originally posted by Charter
Hi. Sorry for the newbie question, but how do I get a legitimate 3rd party to support my stats?

Those stats are hits, but not individual or unqiue hits. THose hits are based on when a page, image, file, is loaded.

Awstats will tell you your "unqiue" hits per day, if you are using cPanel it's already installed

[Charter]

Hi. I've added AWStats to the page so now Webalizer and AWStats can be compared. Thoughts?

[silock]

I'm wondering why theres a large discrepancy between your AWStats and your Webalizer numbers. Is the AWStats correct? Why do the webalizer show thousands of uniques per day, while AWStats shows only hundreds?

[Rob83]

Originally posted by silock
I'm wondering why theres a large discrepancy between your AWStats and your Webalizer numbers. Is the AWStats correct? Why do the webalizer show thousands of uniques per day, while AWStats shows only hundreds?

Because WebAlizer considers each image loaded, each web page loaded, a hit. So if he had 500 images on his 1 page, webalizer would consider that 500 hits.

[silock]

No, I'm looking at the visits. Visits are the unique hits, right? Webalizer shows thousands of uniques per day, while AWStats shows hundreds. Hmmm...

[Charter]

Hi. Yes, I noticed that too. I think 'visits' is counting the number of new/repeat visitors who haven't been to a site within a certain timeframe. Maybe that timeframe is different for Webalizer than it is for AWStats, maybe the stats are calculated differently depending on response code, etcetera. I'm not sure.

[silock]

Hmm, theres never that in my stats, webalizer and awstats are relatively the same for me. Perhaps you have a 3rd party stat counter, like Extreme Tracking or Bravent counter?

[Charter]

Hi. I don't think there is a third party counter. It's puzzling so I went and did a grep on a low request day, and then went through the results by hand. On September 5, 2003 here is how the requests came in for that day. The site was just opened a couple of days before.

Number  IP Address       In Time   Out Time
====================================================================
1       219.93.193.xxx   02:23:24  None - Only Requested /
2       212.198.xxx.xxx  03:00:52  03:02:24
3       213.128.xxx.xxx  03:10:43  03:10:57
4       219.93.193.xxx   03:33:41  None - Only Requested /
5       66.196.65.xxx    03:48:33  None - Only Requested /robots.txt
6       66.196.72.xxx    04:01:10  None - Only Requested /
7       65.35.xxx.xxx    05:03:41  05:03:50
8       81.51.xxx.xxx    05:48:41  05:56:12
9       217.13.xxx.xxx   06:18:14  06:42:40
10      172.139.xxx.xxx  06:51:56  06:52:10
11      212.198.xxx.xxx  07:25:24  07:31:13
12      216.150.xxx.xxx  07:36:02  07:37:59
13      66.196.65.xxx    07:46:21  None - Only Requested /robots.txt
14      217.13.xxx.xxx   07:50:35  07:51:13
15      66.196.72.xxx    07:53:50  None - Only Requested /
16      80.136.xxx.xxx   09:04:35  09:04:42
17      172.138.xxx.xxx  09:16:58  09:17:13
18      168.234.xxx.xxx  09:58:58  10:03:33
19      172.139.xxx.xxx  11:01:34  11:53:40
20      65.35.xxx.xxx    12:01:21  12:01:36
21      172.139.xxx.xxx  12:31:51  13:44:53
22      206.103.xxx.xxx  14:25:36  14:30:01
23      172.139.xxx.xxx  14:39:29  14:39:40
24      68.165.xxx.xxx   17:08:58  17:11:07
25      66.196.65.xxx    18:12:56  None - Only Requested /robots.txt
26      66.196.72.xxx    18:27:02  None - Only Requested /
27      68.165.xxx.xxx   19:48:06  19:48:10

Webalizer for this day shows the following.

Day  Hits        Files      Pages      Visits    Sites     KBytes
=====================================================================
5    1354 1.13%  777 1.11%  141 0.47%  55 1.05%  16 2.05%  6114 1.35%

AWStats for this day shows the following.

Day          Number of visits  Pages  Hits  Bandwidth
=====================================================================
05 Sep 2003  19                135    1340  5.84 MB

If the 8 bots are removed, there are 27 - 8 = 19 visits for the day.

Based on my sample size of one, it looks like AWStats seems correct and that Webalizer may be counting bots and somehow double counting requests when it calculates visits.

What do you think?