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09-27-2000, 12:03 AM #1Newbie
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For the past year and a half I have remained patient with hosting companies, hoping that JSP/servlets features would soon be added. Unfortunately, it seems that few hosting companies came through with JSP support.
When I utilize hosting directories, i.e. Hostinvestigator, to search for "JSP" I find that 99.99% of the time a listed company does not truly support JSP (instead they claim that they support ASP (blah!) or JavaScript (really? lol)). I regress.
Ok, here is a list I've compiled so far of hosts actually supporting JSP. I want to share these in the hope that others will add to the list (it would be nice to see cheaper hosts) and hear any comments about JSP hosting companies.
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http://www.topchoice.com / $25 per mth.
http://www.wantjava.com / $30 per mth.
http://www.capital-internet.net / $30 per mth.
http://www.hostjsp.com / $35 per mth.
http://www.tricreations.com / $50 per mth.
http://www.mmaweb.net / $50 per mth.
http://www.senternet.com / $60 per mth.
http://www.servlets.net / $75 per mth.
http://www.echomountain.com / $100 per mth.
I'm not associated with any hosting company, just one of the zillions of other little web site owners who is looking for a new home with JSP .
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09-27-2000, 12:26 AM #2Web Hosting Master
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Chuck in WebExpose @ http://www.webexpose.net - JSP support from $10.95/month. You may need to ask them to upload - not entirely sure, but JSPs are definitely supported.
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09-27-2000, 02:04 AM #3WHT Addict
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Why JSP isnt supported?
Why do most hosts, especially the all-in-all linux hosts not support JSP when JSP is around for quite a long time and makes life easier?
What's the big deal in installing a JSP parser? Does it consume more resources than CGI and perl scripts?
And why do they charge extra for JSP? What's the BIG DEAL?
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09-27-2000, 02:09 AM #4Web Hosting Master
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I think part of the reason is the supply-demand factor. JSP hasn't quite proliferated around the Net unlike ASP, PHP, CGI, etc., thus demand is low and suppliers keep their prices up. There's also a shortage of Java programmers world wide.
However, more and more people are starting to use JSP - companies like Macromedia Shockwave (particularly for serving games and other great sites), the company I 'occasionally' work for, as well as others.
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09-27-2000, 02:45 AM #5WHT Addict
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I know that http://www.inihosting.com offers Java Development Kit, JDK 1.2.2, Sun Java Servlet 2.2 with JSP on demand and Tomcat 3.2. If this is an posting that is not allowed just let me know and I will remove it.
http://www.inihosting.com /$14.95 per mth.
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09-27-2000, 11:49 AM #6Web Hosting Master
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http://www.webpipe.net/ has JSP support.
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09-27-2000, 11:54 AM #7Newbie
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Comparing Inihosting & Webexpose
Thanks for the info. Does anyone have experience with webexpose.net or inihosting?
With webexpose, if you want to be able to password protect a directory (didn't think this was such a perk) their plan starts at 12.95 a month with $25 set-up. Interesting, they offer ASP,CFM, PHP4 and JSP -- would bet they use JRun for JSP (its ok, esp for IIS, but prefer Tomcat on Apache).
Inihosting provides very little information on their site. To use JSP/JDK, it is $19.95 a month with $25 set-up. They also offer an annual $199.95 plan. Obviously they are on Apache, and likely use Tomcat. They are still at PHP3. JMO, but if a host is still at PHP3 it doesn't look very good -- not keeping up with technology. I understand that new packages need to be tested, but enough time has passed for PHP4 even with the updates. I'm not just dogging Inihosting on this, I'd bet 90+% of the hosts with PHP are still at 3.
So, with webexpose I could have a JSP home page, CFM discussion area, ASP contact page and a PHP auction area. But Inihosting gives me JSP via Tomcat. flamethrow
Need more info about these guys. Any other hosts to compare?
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09-27-2000, 12:08 PM #8Newbie
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Thanks for the webpipe.net suggestion. However, they support JSP release 1.0? Sure, I could email them to confirm this information and maybe they actually are at 1.1, but their site says 1.0.
Great, webpipe uses PHP4, but JSP 1.0? Gotta be at 1.1.
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09-27-2000, 12:37 PM #9WHT Addict
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INI will be offering PHP 4.0.2 and ASP in mid December.
[Edited by Ironlung on 09-27-2000 at 12:50 PM]
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09-27-2000, 07:08 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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Austin,
I host on WebExpose and have had a million conversations with their tech staff before. And I love them to bits
In answer to your question, they actually run Tomcat at the moment, but have plans to switch to Allaire JRun in the next few weeks (you might want to ask them), as their testing have found it's more stable and a fraction faster on their servers. So you might want to e-mail them and see what they say.
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09-28-2000, 01:20 AM #11brendan at hostrocket Guest
jsp
We now support java servlets at hostrocket.com : )
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09-28-2000, 03:36 AM #12Web Hosting Master
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Brendan, thanks for the info. I'd usually cough and hack on that as bordering on an ad, but since it was entirely relevant to the discussion and the original poster asked for additions, then I'll let it go.
(and to the regs, yes, that was another wonderful attempt at showing my soon-to-be moderation skills )
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09-29-2000, 03:16 PM #13Newbie
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Hostrocket doesnt have JSP support
After getting some information, HostRocket does not support JSP. Servlets -- yes. But, who cares. There is no JSP at HostRocket. Where did you get your information Brendan?
See:
http://www.rocketsupport.com/cgi-bin...ID=20&SID=3354
Please correct me if this information is incorrect.
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09-29-2000, 05:22 PM #14Web Hosting Evangelist
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Originally posted by BC
I host on WebExpose and have had a million conversations with their tech staff before. And I love them to bits
Their pricing is pretty fair ... I might test them out once they start using linux
Question:
do they have a reseller plan. From my 10 sec visit to their site I could not find it.
thanks
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09-29-2000, 05:27 PM #15Web Hosting Evangelist
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Now after 30 secs on the site I saw the resller link
oh well. Must be getting tired ... time for a caffeine boost
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10-04-2000, 12:03 AM #16Newbie
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webexpose.net
Looks like I'm going with webexpose. While I'd prefer they use Linux/Apache/Tomcat for JSP (they use Allaire's JRun), their rates are very competitive and they provide MySQL and PHP4. I can't believe I might use a Win2k host (I'm a linux, anti-M$ junkie) -- oh well, I want my JSP!
One positive comment so far about webexpose, any more feedback? positive or negative? Thanks
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10-04-2000, 01:05 AM #17WHT Addict
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Austin since you seem to be a JSP guru let me ask you a question? Do you think people looking for a JSP host would prefer going with a host that uses Orion engine instead of Tomcat? If not Orion which engine do you think most developers would want to work with? Thanks
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10-04-2000, 09:57 AM #18guest Guest
I've got a site hosted at Flighthost.com. They just added Java Servlet support with a control panel interface. My account is $19.95 a month and the service has been pretty good.
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10-04-2000, 11:35 AM #19WHT Addict
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Originally posted by guest
I've got a site hosted at Flighthost.com. They just added Java Servlet support with a control panel interface. My account is $19.95 a month and the service has been pretty good.
Why do I need JSP technology if I already have servlets?
JSP pages are compiled into servlets, so theoretically you could write servlets to support your web-based applications. However, JSP technology was designed to simplify the process of creating pages by separating web presentation from web content. In many applications, the response sent to the client is a combination of template data and dynamically-generated data. In this situation, it is much easier to work with JSP pages than to do everything with servlets
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10-05-2000, 04:34 PM #20Newbie
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Originally posted by Ironlung
Do you think people looking for a JSP host would prefer going with a host that uses Orion engine instead of Tomcat? If not Orion which engine do you think most developers would want to work with? Thanks
Tomcat
Orion
Allaire JRun
BEA WebLogic
Silverstream
iPlanet Web Server
IBM Websphere
Oracle Application Server
ATG Dynamo
Unify eWave
Resin
GUNJSP
Orion is a good JSP engine/application server. JMO, the selection of a JSP engine depends on which platform you prefer to utilize. Each JSP engine will perform differently on different servers. If you use AIX, use Websphere. If you use iPlanet, it is probably best to use the iPlanet Web Server.
For instance, I use Orion on Win98 -- I've found it to be the most stable engine for Win98 at home. For Win2k/NT, Orion provides
a comparison of Orion v. Tomcat and Orion wins. Although offered for Win98 & win2k, Tomcat/Apache and MS do not mix well --- Apache imo never runs well on MS. For win2k, any one of few of the engines/servers provided above will perform well (Orion, JRun, BEA, Silverstream). The same is true for Linux or Solaris (Tomcat, Orion, Silverstream, BEA, JRun). However, costs should be considered when selecting an engine; some are $100000+ and some are free.
Which engine would developers prefer to work with? As you can see, the JSP engine/server field is fragmented with numerous and high quality providers. As a developer, I want to work with an engine that is stable and many of the above engines/servers will suffice. It helps to provide additional features with JSP such as J2EE/XML/Database (JDBC) options. Another priority is to use the most recent JSP implementation (currently @ 1.1; 1.2 is almost out of the gate).
Sources for JSP information:
Sun JSP Discussions
Sun JSP Info
Jspin
jsptags.com
JSPInsider
JSPCafe
ServerPages
Esperanto Group
Hope this is helpful.
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10-05-2000, 05:21 PM #21WHT Addict
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Thank you Austin.
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10-09-2000, 10:07 AM #22Newbie
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JSP Support
Reinvent Technologies http://www.reinventinc.com offers JSP/Servlet support on the HE-200 and above plans as an option. We use the ServletExec engine.
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10-09-2000, 03:37 PM #23Newbie
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Linux/Tomcat at webexpose.net
Apparently webexpose.net will offer JSP utilizing Tomcat on Linux "before the end of this year." Webexpose said they plan to offer Linux servers with features/support similar to or equal to those offered on their Win2k plans.
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10-09-2000, 06:59 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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Woo-hoo!
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May I add my company to the list of hosts that support JavaServerPages, we use JServ 1.1.2 with GNUJSP 1.0.1 for our JSP support.
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