12-08-2003, 04:14 AM
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Advice please???
Hello,
I would really love to seek your advice and recommendations on a good Java hosting company.
You could email me at chinpakt@yahoo.com or seny me a private message via this forum.
I have emailed some Java hosting companies but they did not reply to my queries. They could be a tad busy, with Chrismas round the corner and all.
Many thanks!
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12-08-2003, 07:01 AM
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Do you mean companies that offer some kind of Java server, or do you just want to be able to run javascripts?
I know there is a difference between javascripts, java applets, and so on, but I'm not sure they need something extra to run. Maybe you can clarify your needs?
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12-08-2003, 07:08 AM
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Reptilian Feline, Javascript and Javaapplets are clientside technology...while JSP & Servlets are server-side. Huge difference. Client-side technology doesn't involve the server except for downloading that file to users' browser.
I've found Tomcat engine unstable at most, and all Java engines are resource hogs...even running idle. We tried Tomcat 3.x about 2 years back...ridiculous experience, it kept crashing at random. And used to lockup also i.e. failed to restart.
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12-08-2003, 07:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Reptilian Feline
Do you mean companies that offer some kind of Java server, or do you just want to be able to run javascripts?
I know there is a difference between javascripts, java applets, and so on, but I'm not sure they need something extra to run. Maybe you can clarify your needs?
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jsp/servlet hosting is what I am after...am currently looking at XEOS Digital... 
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12-08-2003, 07:16 AM
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Glad we got that sorted
If there are problems with running jsp/servlets I can understand the difficulties involved in finding a host willing to host it.
Maybe you should get a dedicated server where you can install and run your own software? I'm not sure what is involved with licenses and such, but as far as I know, running your own server gives you more resources than shared hosting.
I'm not that familiar with java of any kind - except when it comes to drinking it  . I've adapted a couple of scripts, but that's it.
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12-08-2003, 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by Reptilian Feline
Glad we got that sorted
If there are problems with running jsp/servlets I can understand the difficulties involved in finding a host willing to host it.
Maybe you should get a dedicated server where you can install and run your own software? I'm not sure what is involved with licenses and such, but as far as I know, running your own server gives you more resources than shared hosting.
I'm not that familiar with java of any kind - except when it comes to drinking it . I've adapted a couple of scripts, but that's it.
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Many thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I am developing dynamic websites for non-profit organizations, like churches and clubs, getting only a budgeted sum to cover the costs of the hosting services, thus, it will not be cost effective for me to maintain my own server...  , however attactive that idea may be.
Cheers!
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12-08-2003, 07:26 AM
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If I may be so bold to ask... why do you need jsp/servlets? What kind of fuctions will they perform? Maybe there is another way of getting it to work?
I myself am avoiding javascripts, so I find ways of using PHP, MySQL and CSS to do most of the work instead. I know javascripts is not what you're doing, I'm just using it as an example where there are different ways of solvning a problem.
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12-08-2003, 07:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Reptilian Feline
If I may be so bold to ask... why do you need jsp/servlets? What kind of fuctions will they perform? Maybe there is another way of getting it to work?
I myself am avoiding javascripts, so I find ways of using PHP, MySQL and CSS to do most of the work instead. I know javascripts is not what you're doing, I'm just using it as an example where there are different ways of solvning a problem.
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Personally, I guess that I am a creature of habbit. I do quite a bit of java development at work and have gotten confortable in re-using codes. Most of my websites share a similar set of functionalities and due purely to historical reasons, would like to keep to continue wrting codes in Java.
Not a very compelling reason in monetary terms, but well...
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12-08-2003, 07:51 AM
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Re-using code is something I do as well, but in PHP.
I hope you find what you're looking for, or you might just have to look for a new way of coding the functions.
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12-08-2003, 06:58 PM
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For a nice long list of java hosts, you can look here: http://www.servlets.com/isps/servlet/ISPViewAll
It sounds like you are looking for personal recommendations. I have used mmaweb.net for java hosting, and am quite happy. They are not the cheapest hosts around, but it's worth the extra money. Servlets/JSPs can be difficult to run, and they run an excellent shop.
I've also used kgbninternet.com. They are more affordable. I haven't run any heavy java applications on their servers, but I am quite pleased.
While I was researching, I looked into 4java.ca and was impressed. I ultimately did not choose them, but I gave them a good hard look and liked what I saw.
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12-08-2003, 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by rooshine
For a nice long list of java hosts, you can look here: http://www.servlets.com/isps/servlet/ISPViewAll
It sounds like you are looking for personal recommendations. I have used mmaweb.net for java hosting, and am quite happy. They are not the cheapest hosts around, but it's worth the extra money. Servlets/JSPs can be difficult to run, and they run an excellent shop.
I've also used kgbninternet.com. They are more affordable. I haven't run any heavy java applications on their servers, but I am quite pleased.
While I was researching, I looked into 4java.ca and was impressed. I ultimately did not choose them, but I gave them a good hard look and liked what I saw.
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Many thanks for the recommendation. MMAWeb is indeed a tad too expensive for me. I will have a look at 4java.ca and kgbninternet.
I was quite interested with XEOS Digital, but I have not received a reply from them on a pre-sales query.
Cheers!
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12-24-2003, 09:52 AM
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avoid xeos
At first, great, fast support. Now, slow to no replies. Lately, a lot of downtime, often for 5 or more hours at a stretch. And, the weird thing, mail sent to my domain at xeos is often taking 24-36 hours to show up in my inbox (vs. 5-40 seconds to show up in my hotmail inbox). Email shouldn't get lost for a day and a half. If it doesn't turn around soon, I'm jumping ship--already shopping.
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12-24-2003, 11:33 AM
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I would suggest switching over to PHP in your programming. That will open up your options enormously.
Even if you find a host you like, 3 months from now if something happens to them, you'll be spending lots of time trying to find anouther company that supports your technologies. If you switch to something like PHP, just about any host you choose would have that.
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12-24-2003, 01:26 PM
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12-24-2003, 05:02 PM
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Here are some reasons to use Java over PHP:
- Web applications built in Java tend to be easier to maintain.
- Java has been around longer than PHP.
- Bookstores have a section devoted to Java but may only have a few shelfs of PHP books.
- There are a lot more vendors supplying web servers supporting JSP/Servlets than PHP.
- Java is faster than PHP.
- Apache has more Java related projects than PHP.
- Java has better database support (JDBC).
- And most importantly, Java is scalable.
I'm going to stop here but the list can go on.
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