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11-25-2003, 12:06 AM #126Web Hosting Master
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To all the folks who are mourning the loss of the dedicated/colo requests forum, just think...companies can and should make themselves known as being flexible and able to provide custom solutions in their offers. This doesn't signify the end of good deals down in the ad forums for colo/dedicated servers, it just means you'll have to investigate a bit more and deal one on one with the companies you are considering.
Yes, you'll have to do more work. That goes for both sides, both the dedicated provider and the customers who look for servers here. But in the end, both sides will benefit from this change.0
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11-25-2003, 12:13 AM #127WHT Addict
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It's already started .....
Users are posting in the main forums for hosting -requests-
is there going to be a rule for this ?Stacie | Administrator
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11-25-2003, 12:13 AM #128Web Hosting Master
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Re: Why
Originally posted by jroy
. . . Please think about keeping those forums, or i will never post here again.
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11-25-2003, 12:16 AM #129Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by CS-Stacie
It's already started .....
Users are posting in the main forums for hosting -requests-
is there going to be a rule for this ?• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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11-25-2003, 12:17 AM #130Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by CS-Stacie
It's already started .....
Users are posting in the main forums for hosting -requests-
is there going to be a rule for this ?
This is going to take some getting used to for all involved, but I personally believe it's just the change that WHT needs.0
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11-25-2003, 12:27 AM #131Web Hosting Master
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Re: Re: 'Requests' and 'Free' Forums
Originally posted by Hoobastank68
I respect WHT's decision (along with the Mods), but I doubt removing these forums will do any good, as you might be seeing even more spamming / fake praises / recommendations going on in the other forums
Every action has a reaction. The mods have pushed the big shiny red button and we'll see what happens. I don't think the aftereffect will be unmanageable.• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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11-25-2003, 12:31 AM #132Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Kerry Jones
I'm wondering have you made an announcement in other forums about this decision? I would really love to see the feedback on such a medium-size decision.
Mission accomplished.
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11-25-2003, 12:32 AM #133Web Hosting Master
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Not only do I think it'll be manageable, I think it'll be a cakewalk compared to trying to mod that mess of request forums.
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11-25-2003, 01:17 AM #134Junior Guru Wannabe
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I really don't care about those forums since I've never been in any of them but I am just curious and this is a really hot topic.. I felt that I didn't want to miss all the action going on just sitting and watching
I am in favor of the opposition. Why? See below (if you have the patience )
Originally posted by blue27
This is a good move. Since 90% of the posters in those forums contribute nothing to the main forums I don't think there will be a problem.
Originally posted by Rochen
By removing the requests forums it will stop a host from changing their offering every few minutes just to meet the requirements of one user.
Hosts can present their offering in the ‘Offers’ forum and then the consumer can search through the offers to find the one that’s right for them, instead of having lots of hosts fighting over one customer.
And why not having fights over one customer? I don't think the respectable providers here, who agree with removing the forums would never do that. This also prove me the lack of quality on approach to the business.
Originally posted by comphosting
I think we can all agree that the purpose of WHT is a community, not a free market.
Originally posted by Rochen
The advertising forums are just an added bonus and in my opinion do not form part of what I would call the ‘core structure’ of this community.
Originally posted by artvision
And yet - this a decision, to a certain extent, will protect
novices from doubtful hosting companies.
Originally posted by Coach
It is also about protecting consumers from the hosts that aren't able to make it in the "real world". They may find the bottom feeders elsewhere, but why open up the largest site dedicated to hosting for such people? We cannot help what goes on in other places, but we can at least make our own home respectable.
Originally posted by The Prohacker
The kind of requests and the people filling them are low balling it so bad most aren't making profits and won't be in business long.. So the person will just be back again making another request and starting the process over again...
Originally posted by thedavid
perhaps it will encourage them to participate in the 'core' forums that really make WHT shine, not just ads.
Originally posted by Rochen
We as the guardians on this community will always act in the best interests of the community and that’s what has happened here today.
And finally;
Originally posted by Kerry Jones
We know that WHT is not an advertising convention, but you must admit it has had a pretty good size impact on the community.
Originally posted by LociasInc
personally I don't agree with this decision but what has to be done has to be done, no way around it. Yes, i can foresee this decision have quite a few of members unregistereding which means that they were just here for advertising which won't be much of a loss. about the levels all well, if they are truly here for the whole WHT not just the request forums then their level will incrase again.
Originally posted by tbrant
I think of this place as an open marketplace... with all the wheeling, dealing, rumor-mongering, back-stabbing, partnering, and showing off that goes with that model. It's "buyer beware"...
Originally posted by Chicken
The sky is not falling... and won't be until next year sometime. Continue to wash your car, as if nothing has changed.
(and to be more precise it is during fall next year )
Originally posted by Akash
We're still very open to suggestions on what else we should do to the forums down there(and to WHT in general) - so if you have anything, feel free to postJust fooling around...0
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11-25-2003, 01:24 AM #135Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Bling Bling
If your removing those sections then why not remove the ads on the forum all together ?
Rusko summed it up in a nutshell -
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11-25-2003, 01:28 AM #136Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally posted by comphosting
The only thing we are throwing out with the water, is all the crap in it (the requests)...
But I LIKE being able to post exactly what I want and not have to go look at the sites of 40 hosts that have almost-but-not-quite what I want. I think can find the baby in the floating crap.0
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11-25-2003, 01:42 AM #137Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by tbrant
But I LIKE being able to post exactly what I want and not have to go look at the sites of 40 hosts that have almost-but-not-quite what I want. I think can find the baby in the floating crap.0
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11-25-2003, 02:39 AM #138I do SEO, oh yes I do!
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great decision!
never actually visited them anyway.
but anyhow.0
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11-25-2003, 02:46 AM #139Web Hosting Guru
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Personally I feel this is one of the best decisions ever made by the mod team. Hats off to you for it.
I echo the statements that most people have said, in favour of this and from where I stand, I'd say that while it may have a short term negative impact, it may also open the possibility for a more informed customer, one who hasn't been burned by hosts in the advertising forums, and may be able to give a few of the newer hosts, who may or may not have been relying on the advertising forums, a chance to learn the industry, improve their business, and achieve sucess. Plus more knowledgable competition always makes life a bit more fun.AC Host Canada – Affordable Canadian Web Hosting Solutions
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11-25-2003, 03:34 AM #140Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally posted by Apoc
Hm I think this could be a great move, but I don't really see the point in removing the dedicated requests. I regulary see people who have very specific need, those forums were/are actually quite useful for that purpose.0
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11-25-2003, 04:03 AM #141WHT Addict
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Well I have read this a couple times now and wanted to make these observations:
First the announcement of the sale of WHT in September.
From Rober Marsh:
Fantastic News - New WHT Partner
Fantastic News - New WHT Partner
I have signed an agreement that gives Web Hosting Talk a new partner. iNET Interactive (http://www.inetinteractive.com) has acquired ownership of WHT as of yesterday afternoon.
iNET has expressed an interest in WHT for nearly a year. Founded in 2002, iNET operates a network of web hosting/web development related sites including Hotscripts.com. Ryan Elledge (relledge), iNET’s President, will be available throughout the day to answer any questions you have.
There will be no change in WHT's operations. The moderators will continue to be in charge. The same rules, forum structure and website design will remain in place. However, Ryan is very interested in hearing your input on what improvements you would like to see.
It's been an honor for me personally and RackShack as a company to be a part of WHT. Going forward, RackShack (which will renamed EV1Servers on October 1) will continue offering WHT any and all necessary hosting resources to keep it running as smoothly as it has. EV1Servers will continue to be a major WHT advertiser, and I will continue to be a WHT moderator. In addition, WHT will have the benefit of Ryan's and the iNET team's focus and dedication.
Thanks to all of you for being a part of the WHT. In the last 3 months we have added more than 4,000 new members and 250,000 posts. It's RackShack's goal and iNET's to continue growing and improving WHT so that it continues to be an invaluable community resource.
The Inet team stands ready to listen to your concerns, suggestions, and thoughts. Don;t worry about any rash changes. They'll continue to work with the community to make it even better.
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and then from Ryan Elledge:
I would like to take this opportunity to thank Robert Marsh for welcoming iNET to WebhostingTalk.com. iNET truly feels privileged to become a part of the greatest discussion forums for web hosting on the Internet. And, let me assure each and everyone here, it is iNET's sole desire to continue operating WebhostingTalk AS IS and merely provide assistance in helping continue its growth that it has been experiencing.
I want to take this opportunity to let all of you know that we were attracted to WHT because of the strong resource that it is, and that we have no intentions of changing anything. As Robert indicated in his post, I, and the rest of the iNET staff, are very interested in learning what, if anything, else you would like to see incorporated to this site. At this time, we just love the site and are privileged to be a part of it.
Tomorrow when you come to WHT you will not see anything different. The layout is not going to change … the colors are not going to change … the forums are not going to change. The same can be said for next week, next month, and well into the future. The only thing that will change in the future is something that the community says they want. If you all want to see something new here, let us know and we’ll look into it.
I also want to reiterate that Robert is staying on as a moderator, and we couldn’t be more excited about that. The iNET staff will not be moderating the boards… we’re going to leave that to the professionals!
If you have any questions I can answer, do not hesitate to ask. On behalf of iNET, thanks for welcoming us to your community.
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My point being both saying nothing will be changed except if the community wanted it to. Of course Mr. Marsh not owning WHT anymore wouldn't have the final say but Mr. Elledge says:
" Tomorrow when you come to WHT you will not see anything different. The layout is not going to change … the colors are not going to change … the forums are not going to change. The same can be said for next week, next month, and well into the future. The only thing that will change in the future is something that the community says they want. If you all want to see something new here, let us know and we’ll look into it."
I don't see that there was a lot if input prior to the decision to delete the request forums from the "Community". Unless the community is suddenly comprised of just the Leaders, Liaisons and Guides. Two days notice of a final decision doesn't seem like discussion or input.
I'm not taking sides here as to if I think this was a good idea or a bad one just making some observations and you can decide for yourself if there is any merit to my observations.
And finally:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=206108
Webhostingtalk now hosted by Rackspace?
For the past week or so I have noticed that Webhostingtalk forums have been slower to load, it seemed like execution times were slower and the pages just acting differently if that makes sense. There has been a definite change in the speed at which I was able to surf through topics here.
Today I saw that Rackspace now hosts WebHostingtalk. I would say the forums worked better where they were, this being a credit to EV1/Rackshack's network.
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Like I said just observations and maybe something to think about while we ponder the future of the "Community", what it means to each of us and what it's importance is in regards to our businesses and our interests in web hosting.
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11-25-2003, 04:23 AM #142WHT Addict
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Good observation, no comment
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11-25-2003, 04:31 AM #143Web Hosting Master
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WHT is an ever evolving creature.. Just because someone else took ownership doesn't mean that all production should be stopped and nothing should be done..
Of course there are going to be changed.. No mater who owns it.. This was something that needed to be done when Robert was owner.. Also the server move cured many of our forum 'bugs' such as threads that would stop working, etc...
Also alot of the input given was from CATs and taken from older posts from people saying requests should be revamped or deleted completely...0
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11-25-2003, 04:33 AM #144Web Hosting Master
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DPerley, change is an everyday fact of life. You can't read too much into those above messages from Ryan Elledge and Robert Marsh, and expect there never to be change.
I'd say we're talking about different levels of "changes", and these changes the mods have made now, are for the betterment of the community. This involves changes on a daily basis. One thing I've learned about the net is that nothing stays exactly the same for long.• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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11-25-2003, 04:48 AM #145Junior Guru Wannabe
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Aw shucks, the requests forums are one of the best source of comedy on this website. Where will I go for my daily ha-ha's now?
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11-25-2003, 04:50 AM #146Web Hosting Master
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Amen to what Bob wrote.
Running a message board is a trial-and-error process and no decision is made forever. I believe that we haven't seen the end of the changes and that's a good thing because they keep the board alive and kicking.http://www.voilaweb.com - the Social Internet Toolbox.0
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11-25-2003, 05:14 AM #147Web Hosting Master
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Remember when the post counts suddenly were changed? There was a long and windy discussion about what parts of WHT the posts should count. Suddenly we had a number of newbies with 0 posts because they had only posted in forums where the posts were'nt counted.
Then suddenly they were back.
I'm not saying that the request forums will be back, but removing them for the time being in order to sort things out, is a good move.
WHT needs to grow. Growth means change. Change means removing the parts that don't work, and replace them with things that do work. Point the newbies towards the offers. Give them recomendations. Is it really that hard to click a link (or copy and paste) in order to go the the recomended host's website to read about what they offer?
Yes, it's easy to post a request for hosting. I have done so twice.
The first time was when I first joined. The offers I got were good, to the point, and it was easy to choose. I didn't ask for much, and no one offered me 10 GB for $1/month.
The second time I asked for something more. That was a nightmare. It took much longer to find out who to choose and who to trust. I ended up asking hosts who's opinion here I valued instead of going with what I got in the request.
I wish the request forum had stayed OK the way it was when I first joined, but it has changed badly. What do you do with cancer? Remove it, right? Then there is room for healthy growth."Stop flame-wars - Report a post"
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11-25-2003, 05:43 AM #148Retired Moderator
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Good Desicion
Yes we've posted a bit in response to requests but we certainly don't rely on it, off the top of my head i think we have only 3/4 accounts that are a result of those forums.
I think this will kill off alot of the little guys that offer the world for a dollar and for that only ever end up leading people to believe that the entire hosting industry is one big rip-off
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11-25-2003, 07:06 AM #149Retired ***ulator
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The pending removal of those sub-forums are the best thing WHT has done so far.
Hope the people there don't flood the remainder of the mboard with the offers/requests stuff...73's, Kim
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I don't see that there was a lot if input prior to the decision to delete the request forums from the "Community". Unless the community is suddenly comprised of just the Leaders, Liaisons and Guides. Two days notice of a final decision doesn't seem like discussion or input
You really need to read the forum more.
Many, many members have been saying for months that the ad forums are useless.
This decision was based directly on member input, as far as I'm concerned.0