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11-16-2003, 01:32 PM #1Web Hosting Master
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XO collocation
Anyone have experience with XO? I'm interested in their network reliability, peering, and any other things you might know about them. Thanks.
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11-16-2003, 02:09 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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Hello.
There was a thread about them a day or two ago...
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=205780
Hope this helps.
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11-16-2003, 05:57 PM #3Premium Member
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XO bandwidth is great. I know that Mfjp and Nationhosts have operations going on in XO.
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11-17-2003, 12:27 PM #4Newbie
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Email Jason
I have close to a GIG with XO and like I said in my post before I am more than happy with them. Contact my Rep Jason rehder
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11-17-2003, 04:23 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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Fairly unrelated, however still a interesting read, look at their financial details:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=xocm.ob
Anyone with any analyitic skills at all can tell there's something not very pretty there
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11-17-2003, 05:23 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by nickn
Fairly unrelated, however still a interesting read, look at their financial details:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=xocm.ob
Anyone with any analyitic skills at all can tell there's something not very pretty there
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=inap
I can tell you there is nothing pretty on that internap sheet...
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11-17-2003, 05:34 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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May as well look into this then:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=lvlt
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=GBLXQ.PK
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=CWP&annual
Who should I buy from then?
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11-17-2003, 05:37 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Mfjp
May as well look into this then:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=lvlt
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=GBLXQ.PK
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=CWP&annual
Who should I buy from then?
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11-17-2003, 05:47 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Dilhole
And your beloved Internap is doing better?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=inap
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11-17-2003, 05:54 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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Internap stock is doing much better now, at $1.83 per share? Hell, that's so much better than 15 months ago, at just over several cents a share!
So yes, Internap is doing much better now ...
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11-17-2003, 06:41 PM #11Disabled
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Originally posted by FHDave
Internap stock is doing much better now, at $1.83 per share? Hell, that's so much better than 15 months ago, at just over several cents a share!
So yes, Internap is doing much better now ...
Should've bought 1 million share back then ...
Perhaps this is for a different thread, but...
The fact of the matter is that InterNap offers very little value to their customers compared to any other multi-homed ISP. The only thing of value they had to offer was their "intelligent routing" technology. The bad news is that now any ISP can copy this value simply by purchasing an "intelligent routing" device and intergrating it into their network.
At the end of the day the only thing "intelligent routing" does is add a few more metrics BGP can use to make routing decisions.
...and at the end of the week (figuratively speaking) the BGP4 protocol will be updated to BGP5 or something and all ISP's will be "intelligent routing" providers.
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11-17-2003, 06:52 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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Internap still have some advantages. Their Uptime is pretty phenomenal. Also, the intelligent routing they're doing is probably better than what an average multi-home ISP can do for now.
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11-17-2003, 07:17 PM #13Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Papa Smurff
Perhaps this is for a different thread, but...
The fact of the matter is that InterNap offers very little value to their customers compared to any other multi-homed ISP. The only thing of value they had to offer was their "intelligent routing" technology. The bad news is that now any ISP can copy this value simply by purchasing an "intelligent routing" device and intergrating it into their network.
At the end of the day the only thing "intelligent routing" does is add a few more metrics BGP can use to make routing decisions.
...and at the end of the week (figuratively speaking) the BGP4 protocol will be updated to BGP5 or something and all ISP's will be "intelligent routing" providers.
and that's coming from a guy who used to bash InterNAP. Now I love them. Sorry FHDave, I should've come to my senses earlier
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11-17-2003, 10:20 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by FHDave
Internap stock is doing much better now, at $1.83 per share? Hell, that's so much better than 15 months ago, at just over several cents a share!
So yes, Internap is doing much better now ...
Should've bought 1 million share back then ...
investing in penny stocks is a Bad Idea (tm), unless you know exactly what you are doing. it is an art and a science in and of itself - you are basically betting that the stock will not get delisted, the company will not go tits up and will actually rebound to a significant extent.
who should you buy from? look at cash reserves, evaluate the business model, make a call. i would feel reasonably comfortable buying from a provider that, while in the red, has decent cash reserves and is selling at a realistically sustainable price. i would *not* feel comfortable buying from a provider that was in the red, losing revenue fast and fishing in their pocket for chump change.
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11-17-2003, 10:40 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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Paul,
I understand that It's like the saying that I have read/heard over and over again .... "You can't make money from a company that can't make money for itself". In fact, Internap was, I believe, delisted from NasDaq at one point. I did not buy their shares because of these reasons. But if I did buy them at their lowest price, I would have 1500%+ profit in a year! In fact, at just several cents a share, what can you lose? It's better than playing a lottery
Inogenius, glad to hear that you like Internap now It's expensive, and thus it's only suitable for different market. Internap has been one of our strongest selling point. Eventhough we are not the cheapest host in the block, our customers are willing to pay more for a stable and quality network.
Back to XO ... I am also have a quote from their rep for their colo space in Secaucus, NJ. It's pretty cheap, in fact I am surprised to get such a low quote, quite cheaper than what I pay for Internap, of course ... Moreover, they allow you to be connected to other provider into their datacenter, assuming you get your own local loop. Interesting ... So, yes, I am too interested to hear about XO. No, Fluid Hosting is not leaving Internap, it's just for my other "pet project"Fluid Hosting, LLC - Enterprise Cloud Infrastructure: Cloud Shared and Reseller, Cloud VPS, and Cloud Hybrid Server
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11-17-2003, 10:53 PM #16Web Hosting Master
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it's just for my other "pet project"
that the wrong way and think your doing an animal porn site
Sorry im bored
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11-17-2003, 11:00 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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err ... that's actually what I mean ...
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11-17-2003, 11:02 PM #18Web Hosting Master
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No, Fluid Hosting is not leaving Internap, it's just for my other "pet project"
Okay, okay, bad joke.
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11-18-2003, 01:32 AM #19Web Hosting Master
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FHDave,
If you're looking to get another provider into XO NJ, do tell me what you will be getting. I maybe interest to split a feed with you over there.
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11-18-2003, 02:38 AM #20Disabled
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Originally posted by FHDave
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Fluid Hosting is not leaving Internap, it's just for my other "pet project"
Oh, I wouldn't sat that...
These days it's hard to tell who's gonna be where in 5 years no matter how large the company is.
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11-18-2003, 04:55 AM #21WHT Addict
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Originally posted by Papa Smurff
The only thing of value they had to offer was their "intelligent routing" technology. The bad news is that now any ISP can copy this value simply by purchasing an "intelligent routing" device and intergrating it into their network.
Damn, Internap...
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11-18-2003, 09:42 AM #22Web Hosting Master
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OK, as much as I don't want to contribute to this thread going this far off topic...
InterNAP is on the up, their YTD OPEX went down 16%, their Revenue went up like 5%
And they acquired netVmg, and Sockeye. I made a simple comment, XO isn't doing well at all, their OPEX is increasing, revenue is decreasing..
Now as far as InterNAP not having a benefit over any other host, I challenge anyone on this board on network uptime, and performance. I come from being a Mzima customer, they are a blended provider with 3 tier1 providers and many (60) peers, they are great too, and quite costly, however after using InterNAP more and more....I would trust anything on InterNAP bandwidth, in InterNAP datacenters...monitored by InterNAP employees.
InterNAP has it's issues, however, it's worth every dime that we spend on it...
MODNOTE: Feel free to split this thread, move it..whatever...my apologies for getting this thread off topic.
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11-18-2003, 10:22 AM #23Disabled
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About 2 yrs ago we had a colo rack in XO NJ datacenter.
WHat a disaster, not really from a network standpoint, but we were using their DNS ant thew tech support was terrible. They entered all our DNS wrong and took down all of our sites for 2 days.
Of course this wa right after the Nextlink/Concentric Merger, so perhaps they were getting things organized still.
The only bright spot was that our 1Yr contract was $1100 a month, and by the end of the yr I was only out $2000 due to all of my complaints.
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11-18-2003, 10:34 AM #24Registered User
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Great cheap BW @ 45.00 a mg :-}
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11-18-2003, 10:57 AM #25Web Hosting Master
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XO is good for the price, basically they have to sell their bandwidh that low to stay in business while they are 'revamping' I would be willing to say XO bandwidth is probably worth more than that $45/meg.