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[ServeForce]

Originally posted by Papa Smurff
Don't forget about the best darn DC in Cali... uh, besides Equinix.
Sfcolocation.com, how do I say?... awesome? I think so.
If you are judging facilities this place is in the top 5, hands down.

365 Main is *NICER* than Equinix.
The damn building is floated and seismicly isolated!
SFColocation leases space from 365main, and you can get a better deal if you go direct to 365 main...

[Papa Smurff]

Originally posted by ServeForce
365 Main is *NICER* than Equinix.
The damn building is floated and seismicly isolated!
SFColocation leases space from 365main, and you can get a better deal if you go direct to 365 main...

Large customers (as in 3+ cabinet) get a better deal going directly to 365 Main. Smaller customers do not.
365 is carrier neutral. So if you sign with 365 you have 2 options:

1. Order your own internet circuits and build your own multi-homed network by paying a few thousand a month.

2. Use a multi-homed ISP who is already in the building.... SFcolocation.

So you actually save more money by buying from SFcolocation because you would be buying directly from the ISP....

365 does not own or manage a network, they are in the business of selling large amounts of coloation space at wholesale prices to ISP's and large businesses.
The facility has (8) 10,000 sq ft colocation rooms for crying outloud. They make their money on the big boys.

[ServeForce]

Originally posted by Papa Smurff
Large customers (as in 3+ cabinet) get a better deal going directly to 365 Main. Smaller customers do not.
365 is carrier neutral. So if you sign with 365 you have 2 options:

1. Order your own internet circuits and build your own multi-homed network by paying a few thousand a month.

2. Use a multi-homed ISP who is already in the building.... SFcolocation.

So you actually save more money by buying from SFcolocation because you would be buying directly from the ISP....

SFColocation *IS* an ISP...
And If you're not getting a better deal on cab's in the facility than with SFColocation, I guess you're missing out

I can get SINGLE cabinet pricing from 365 directly, thats lower than $700 a month from SFColocation...

[ServeForce]

Originally posted by Mfjp
I'm looking at the facility also now,
3) Doesn't offer metro transport or anything last I check (They may even be on XO fiber, but i'm totally unsure)

MFN owns their own fiber network, so they're definately not on XO fiber...

They don't sell metro themselves, but they do offer bandwidth in the facility.

I know who can do metro to the facility, if you're seriously looking, lemme know and I'll hand off some names.

[ServeForce]

Originally posted by Simpli-Erica
Their bandwidth is fine, but I wouldn't recommend their facility at 1019 Mission to anyone. I have been there... it is just scary.

I dunno, I asked the guys who run the place if they'd ever heard of you and they said no.
I would suggest seeing the place before passing judgement

And yes, 1019 Mission is not a pretty facility, but its absolutely functional, and they have several clients in there (one is even a fortune 500)

1019 Mission is not sold as a pretty facility, if you want cheap racks and bandwidth, hardly anyone can beat their pricing on racks+bw. However, its now 100% sold out, so they can't put any more people in it. How many ISP's in the bay area have SOLD OUT facilities, not many...

I heard they built a new datacenter on Federal Street and that the new datacenter is nicer.

You can pull their bandwidth into Exchange or others and be fine, though.

Exchange (200 Paul), or 250 Stockton, or 365 Main, or 1 Wilshire (LAX). They have a large California network, and are in several large carrier hotels. They are not dependant on any one facility...

60 Fed is their newest facility, and they can offer you some great deals. There were so many people waiting to sign up with them, that 60 Federal Street is almost sold out!

[ericabiz]

Originally posted by ServeForce
I dunno, I asked the guys who run the place if they'd ever heard of you and they said no.
I would suggest seeing the place before passing judgement

I did. One of their customers let me in.

I'm sorry, but I don't consider it a real datacenter.

-- They give every client APC battery backups. That is a joke. The power system should be reliable enough that you should be able to be properly laughed at for bringing one of those into the datacenter. Which do you think has more of a chance to fail, a $400 APC unit or a $2 million Hitec continuous power system with a 400HP diesel generator and an identical twin as its backup for full n+2 redundancy? Seriously.
-- No raised flooring.
-- No 24/7 staffing. They give every customer a key to the front door. Security is incredibly lax there, and the front room (where there should be a person checking ID) sits completely empty.
-- As a woman, I would not feel safe walking in that district alone at night. I was there at night; fortunately, one of their customers escorted me.

The fact that I was able to walk in (with another customer) without identification scares me enough. That night, I could have run around the whole datacenter poking my hand through the cages and shutting all of their customers down. (All you would have to do is shut down the APC sitting at the bottom of each cage. It's ridiculous.)

Sure, the datacenter is cheap, but it's one of the worst ones I have ever seen. I'd prefer colocating at nearly every datacenter in the Bay Area (including the rather crappy one Simpli colocated in before we moved to AboveNet) over this one. Their bandwidth may be good -- like I said, you'd be fine if you pulled it into one of many carrier hotels such as Exchange -- but their datacenter at 1019 Mission is terrible.

-Erica

[ServeForce]

Originally posted by Simpli-Erica
They give every client APC battery backups. That is a joke. The power system should be reliable enough that you should be able to be properly laughed at for bringing one of those into the datacenter. Which do you think has more of a chance to fail, a $400 APC unit or a $2 million Hitec continuous power system

Seeing as how there have been 2-3 Datacenter fires with days of downtime due to faulty UPSes and Generators, I can't say that having one facility wide UPS is that much of a saving grace.

-- No raised flooring.

The original AboveNet SJ1 didn't have Raised flooring, big woo.
They still made it far.
Exchange Colo doesn't have raised flooring either.

-- No 24/7 staffing. They give every customer a key to the front door. Security is incredibly lax there, and the front room (where there should be a person checking ID) sits completely empty.

Perhaps you missed the part where I said "Its not pretty, but its functional"

All customers have locked cages or Cabinets.
If you're an open rack customer, you're just that, open rack.

The fact that every customer has a cardkey is also something you missed. If something happens while that customer is there, its not hard to find out what happened.
Believe it or not, but its nothing new to have un-escorted access to a datacenter...

I've even been to the AboveNet facility that you're in, and seen a similar scenario.

-- As a woman, I would not feel safe walking in that district alone at night. I was there at night; fortunately, one of their customers escorted me.

Sure, the datacenter is cheap, but it's one of the worst ones I have ever seen.

I dunno, have you ever seen UPNetworks?
The fact that they've had *SEVERAL* UPS fires and holes in the walls is enough to make me wonder.

I'm guessing you didn't see the leaky pipes in 365 Main either. When I was an AboveNet customer in the facility, I found water on the floor one day.

I'm also guessing you've never seen some of the East Coast colos, because several of them are in even less safe neighborhoods.

The fact that the 1019 Mission Datacenter has been there since 1996, with no major problems really says something.

However *NONE* of this has anything to do with the original topic of "Best and Reasonably Priced Colo"

They provide the best value for the money, hands down!

[Papa Smurff]

Originally posted by ServeForce
SFColocation *IS* an ISP...
And If you're not getting a better deal on cab's in the facility than with SFColocation, I guess you're missing out

I can get SINGLE cabinet pricing from 365 directly, thats lower than $700 a month from SFColocation...

I am a customer of 365 and SFcolocation.
The best and most reasonably priced data center on the west coast is the 365 Main facility. No other facility comes closer and you said it yourself when you said " it is nicer than Equinix" earlier in this thread.
You are being a little too judgemental and turning this thread into a personal tone.

Besides that your reasoning about resellers is not accurate.
Often resellers can sell at better prices. For example, Nokia phone resellers have deals with Nokia Inc, therefore they can buy for much less than someone going directly to Nokia.
Resellers would not exist if they could not offer better value than the manufacturer.
The fact that you got a quote for $700 cabinet does not mean that one can't get a better deal. Also, you failed to consider the total bottom line and what is included in that price. So unless you can provide us a detailed breakdown of services and prices between SFcolocation and 365 then you are making assumptions, which is bad business.

Besides that 365 Main is *NOT* an ISP, they are strictly a Data Center Provider who makes money on space sold.

This thread is colo+bandwidth. 365 does not do bandwidth because they are not an ISP. They do colo. SFcolocation does both.

[Mfjp]

MFN does own the fiber network, but that doesnt' imply they're on Fibers they lay. They could just have brought XO's Dark Fiber resulting in the same bundle of Fiber carrying the transit.

[Papa Smurff]

Originally posted by ServeForce
Seeing as how there have been 2-3 Datacenter fires with days of downtime due to faulty UPSes and Generators, I can't say that having one facility wide UPS is that much of a saving grace.

A facility wide UPS system is what the Pentagon and NATO use... ummm they have the largest budget in the entire country. Why don't you ask them why they don't use battery/generator UPS systems? They use a Hi-tec flywheel UPS system similar to 365/SFcolocation.

Sure, fires can knock alot of electrical stuff out. Transformers, generators, etc...
But consider this, no other data center on the west coast can boast of N+2 redundancy on everything except for 365.

Next.

[ServeForce]

Originally posted by Mfjp
MFN does own the fiber network, but that doesnt' imply they're on Fibers they lay. They could just have brought XO's Dark Fiber resulting in the same bundle of Fiber carrying the transit.

Uhm, hello, MFN used to *OWN* 365 Main
Of course the fiber going into the facility is theirs...

[Mfjp]

Originally posted by ServeForce
Uhm, hello, MFN used to *OWN* 365 Main
Of course the fiber going into the facility is theirs...

Oh yeah, you do have a point there. hahaha! I'm just stupid.

[ServeForce]

Originally posted by Papa Smurff
Besides that your reasoning about resellers is not accurate.
The fact that you got a quote for $700 cabinet does not mean that one can't get a better deal. Also, you failed to consider the total bottom line and what is included in that price. So unless you can provide us a detailed breakdown of services and prices between SFcolocation and 365 then you are making assumptions, which is bad business.

Since this isn't an advertising forum, I can't post pricing. But If you go take a look at my Ad in the "Colo Offers" forum, you'll see what I mean.
I'm guessing you're paying a lot more...

This thread is colo+bandwidth. 365 does not do bandwidth because they are not an ISP. They do colo. SFcolocation does both.

SFColocation doesn't own their own facility, they resell 365 Main. As far as I can tell, they don't operate out of any other facilities.
They're technically not a colo provider, they're a colo reseller.

*********** has 3 facilities that they own and operate. *********** also operates an independant network, uses multiple fiber carriers, and buys transit in several locations. *********** has people who Resell their colocation space.

You're trying to compare apples and oranges.

BTW, I'm not taking this personally, I would just rather have this thread be a bit more accurate.

[Papa Smurff]

Originally posted by ServeForce
[B]Since this isn't an advertising forum, I can't post pricing. But If you go take a look at my Ad in the "Colo Offers" forum, you'll see what I mean.
I'm guessing you're paying a lot more...



SFColocation doesn't own their own facility, they resell 365 Main. As far as I can tell, they don't operate out of any other facilities.
They're technically not a colo provider, they're a colo reseller.

*********** has 3 facilities that they own and operate. *********** also operates an independant network, uses multiple fiber carriers, and buys transit in several locations. *********** has people who Resell their colocation space.

You're trying to compare apples and oranges.

BTW, I'm not taking this personally, I would just rather have this thread be a bit more accurate.

Yes, I agree we are comparing apples to oranges.
SFcolocation does not own their own facility but they do own the network. In this case I don't know if SF or 365 qualify for best colo+bandwidth. But it looks like UL does.

[ServeForce]

Originally posted by Papa Smurff
A facility wide UPS system is what the Pentagon and NATO use... ummm they have the largest budget in the entire country. Why don't you ask them why they don't use battery/generator UPS systems? They use a Hi-tec flywheel UPS system similar to 365/SFcolocation.

Uhh, yeah, HiTec != Battery UPS
A HiTec is a Motor-Generator with a flywheel, there are no batteries in there anywhere.

Considering that MFN put 100 MILLION dollars into that facility and then declaring bankrupcy before finishing everything, I would expect nothing less

Sure, fires can knock alot of electrical stuff out. Transformers, generators, etc...
But consider this, no other data center on the west coast can boast of N+2 redundancy on everything except for 365.

No, I'm talking about fires caused by UPS systems...
But yes, 365 Main is an awesome facility, but up until recently, it was too expensive for most people to consider.