Web Hosting Talk : Web Hosting Main Forums : Dedicated Server : What Are DC's Doing Redhat EOL

[coight]

Their has been a number of threads regarding what webhosting business's are doing regarding the EOL and not all dedicated server companies view the technical forum nor have I noticed anyone respond from a larger company (that deals with dedicated servers only)

So what are DC's planning todo? I would have thought most of them would be offering enterprise for an additional monthly fee by now?

[Dan L]

I asked BurstNet on AIM and they said that there's been discussion, but nothing definite as of yet..

[coight]

Official SM/Theplanet word:

To be honest we don't know when we will offer it. We are just starting to look into it. Try getting back with us in about 30 days

Gives me some hope I guess

[narziss]

I expect many datacenters/hosting companies will pick up Fedora, as it is very similar to the current free Red Hat, just not officially supported by Red Hat.

[XLHost]

We have been offering Red Hat Linux on our dedicated servers since ver Jeez I think 4? Back when we were still using BSD/OS for our DNS servers ;-) [yeah thats right, berkley OS, baby, not this freebsd ;-)] I've got to say I dont think i've ever actually used Red Hat for technical support, most of the problems we have seen have been a result of a misconfiguration, a driver issue and even then 99% of them have been resolved by a 2 second google search the other 1% has just been rtfm'ing.

-Drew

[coight]

Anthony is that dedicated nows stance on things, from what I have read fedora will be the testing bed for future releases of enterprise. It will require updates every 3 months or so and they even mention that its not to be used in a production environment.

[Jag]

really, for a hosting server, what is different from rh9 that you didnt do with rh6 ? nothing.... we update our packages and software and the OS is all but static other than kernel updates ...which again we dont use RH ones.

I dont think anything will really change much for existing machines. For new ones we will likely do more Debian and Freebsd setups, which we planned on doing anyway. We will make RH Enterprise still available as an option for Ded clients that want to pay for it.

[x007]

I think they all find a way to resolve this a bunch of unpatched server on a network is realy not good at all !

But time is rushing !
This will be a real problem soon...

Btw i find weird that EV1 have like 1000 servers ready whit RH9 on it, but they may still find a way to do someting whit that..

i want a server right now but to wait to see what append ...
Dont want to get a RH9 server at all.. good for couple month before changing OS..

Waiting news from EV1 btw !!! anyone ??

[BobFarmer]

I'm not sure I understand the level of fear regarding the EOL. Sure, ServInt has plans to deal with customers who want to switch. However, consider that just because the OS hits the EOL doesn't mean things instantly break and are vulnerable. The operating system won't be any worse off than it was before RedHat stops supporting it unless it both breaks/becomes vulnerable AND nobody else on earth decides to write a patch for it. If a patch exists and your ISP doesn't know how to apply it, that's a completely different issue.

[x007]

Originally posted by BobFarmer
I'm not sure I understand the level of fear regarding the EOL. Sure, ServInt has plans to deal with customers who want to switch. However, consider that just because the OS hits the EOL doesn't mean things instantly break and are vulnerable. The operating system won't be any worse off than it was before RedHat stops supporting it unless it both breaks/becomes vulnerable AND nobody else on earth decides to write a patch for it. If a patch exists and your ISP doesn't know how to apply it, that's a completely different issue.

The question is who will make those patch ??

Redhat will issue no more patch, so as you tell there is no prob until no security hole is found but when someting is found who will make the patch ?

Btw if someone make any kind of patch, those those patch will be secure, stable how to know i got no problem keeping my 7.2 , 7.3 box but i need a way to keep it updated ?

How mutch ppl use Up2date to upddate there server, how mutch even dont know more than installing a rpm.. This is a big concern !

This is a lot of concern i think unless someone tell me a way to keep a 7x 9x server always fully patched..

[BobFarmer]

I see your points, from an unmanaged server perspective. If you're on a managed server, your provider should be willing to download and install any available patch or RPM for you. If you're on an unmanaged server, you'll probably have to head to your provider's forums to learn what to do.

[XLHost]

Alot of the fear is self induced, people have become far too reliant on RPMs for their software. You could still be running redhat 6.2 if you knew how to compile things from source. You need to teach yourself the 'right way' to do it, and then use RPMs, not just rely on RPMs as your only source of software.

-Drew

[x007]

may be,

but lot of ppl dont know how to compile from .src
then more each time you do that on production server this is risky then can cause problem, lot of ppl wont even know when a security hole will be found after... They have to be well informed
to know new hole & how to patch it. No ?

[PhMatt]

Alot of the fear is self induced

That's the truth in a nutshell. Honestly, at this point, we're not 100% positive on what our next stage will be, and I posted a long-winded thread about it in our forums yesterday, but will spare everyone that lengthy explanation, and just say this. We as providers, and I'm sure it includes any providers here, will make the best decision for both they, and their customers period. We all have the decision of hosting thousands of servers all with EOL software, etc. but we're going to take the time to appropriately review our choices, and not jump the gun on anything. *If* we need to modify our entire business plan, as so many will have to, then we need to take all information into account and work with our customers to best help identify their needs, and develop planning accordingly. It would be naive of us to say we're only going to offer OS type X *if* that's not what the majority of our clients want. In searching through a few threads already on this subject, please note the various flavors of "nix" everyone is throwing out there, and you'll begin to see our (as providers) reason for hesitation. We will continue to support our clients in the best ways possible, and determine a solution to a new business model as we are able to, not as threads appear with a fear or concern. All people need to realize is that it effects all of us, and none of us are more aware of this than the providers themselves.

Thank you,

[snickn]

All people need to realize is that it effects all of us, and none of us are more aware of this than the providers themselves.

Amen.