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[ArdentCo]

Hello,

I need to justify my use of extra IP's to ARIN or whatever theyre called. What is classified as a good reason? Is: my customers want a dedicated IP enough of one?

Benjamin Fry

[Joseph_M]

SSL or nameservers are both good reasons, but make sure you actually use them!

[John[H4Y]]

Also, anonymous FTP was a valid reason, but I'm not sure if it still is.

[amusive.com]

Nameservers for most TLDs are no longer a good reason (you can have multiple names for one IP).

[CLucich]

Originally posted by ArdentCo
Hello,

I need to justify my use of extra IP's to ARIN or whatever theyre called. What is classified as a good reason? Is: my customers want a dedicated IP enough of one?

Benjamin Fry

Really? According to tandem, sigma, and simpli-erica in this thread:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...5&pagenumber=2

You don't need justification as long as you use them, maybe they'll post here and give you their knowledge on how ARIN works. Who told you that you needed to justify them?

But to answer your question:
As mentioned above, SSL and Nameservers are a valid reason. Stuff like Java Servlets are also good reasons since they don't support name based virtual hosts.

[ArdentCo]

Originally posted by amusive.com
Who told you that you needed to justify them?

servermatrix

[KyleR]

I currently have nameservers running on my server...with one ip for each..running great.

[sigma]

Originally posted by ArdentCo
servermatrix

In that case, you need to comply with Servermatrix's policy. ARIN's policy is very clear, regardless of how many threads get smart remarks posted about ARIN.

Kevin

[Website Rob]

IP justification is common among most DCs. Common justification is Dedicated IPs -- for whatever reasons, although, I'm not sure if Nameservers justifies.

You can try though. Simple submit a list showing your currently allocated IPs and Domain names / Nameservers allocated to each one. This, BTW, does not include Virtually hosted Domains as one IP can host 100's of Domains -- the IP it self though, is justified because it is required to host those Virtual Domains.

[IHSL]

It's very correct that ARIN needs justification, and here's the reasons they accepted from us;

Virtual FTP server, Anonymous FTP server, Nameservers, SSL (site and control panel), mySQL servers, MS SQL servers, PG SQL servers, Mail servers

[sigma]

Originally posted by IHSL
It's very correct that ARIN needs justification, and here's the reasons they accepted from us;

Virtual FTP server, Anonymous FTP server, Nameservers, SSL (site and control panel), mySQL servers, MS SQL servers, PG SQL servers, Mail servers

Why, yes, I am tired of posting about this. Correcting misconceptions is thankless, and I can look forward to smart remarks from Sassse.

http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv4.html#webhosting

"When an ISP submits a request for IP address space to be used for IP-based web hosting, it will supply (for informational purposes only) its technical justification for this practice. ARIN will analyze this data continuously, evaluating the need for future policy change."

For informational purposes only. So the technical justification can be "Martians told me to do it" and it should be accepted.

Naturally, frivolous answers won't give ARIN useful data, but truthful answers will let ARIN maintain data on common uses of hosting IPs. There is a lengthy laundry list of reasons for IP-based hosting, including ones I hadn't even thought of, which is why ARIN backed off. Unlike Verisign, which implements something like SiteFinder with no regard for what it breaks, ARIN does not want to implement policy which affects current usage without the policy-guiding input of the affected parties.

Now, many providers go above and beyond that paragraph, interpreting it as they see fit, but this was not the intent of the wording. I was present at the meeting where the wording was drafted. If anyone else in these topics was there, raise your hand, please.

Kevin