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    School kids undressing recorded on security cameras

    This is too weird ...


    http://www.realnews247.com/parents_s...en_cameras.htm

    Parents Sue School Over Hidden Cameras

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A Tennessee middle school allowed security cameras to film children undressing in locker rooms and then stored the images on a computer accessible through the Internet, according to a lawsuit filed by a group of angry parents.


    Another report...

    http://www.tennessean.com/local/arch...35666846.shtml

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    Wow. At what point did these people not realise that's a very stupid thing to do? Why would you even think of putting cameras in a room where young kids are getting changed.

    I hope someone gets nailed for that.
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    the worst bit.. the assistant principla who had the images on his HD, only got transferred

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    I think I can somewhat understand the motivation behind installing security cameras, though it could easily be construed as not right by many. The thing with education is, you're pretty much damned if you do, and damned if you don't. What I mean is that if anything happened in those locker rooms, (such as a student getting attacked by another student, etc.), the school system would have been sued for lack of security and monitoring.

    Working with children presents some interesting challenges, especially for male teachers. Back in the day, the teachers could tap students with rulers, but don't even think of trying that today. Also, don't hug kids, touch them in any way, etc. Show them you care in a nurturing way, but not too much as then you're a child molester. There was a good article abot male teachers in the lastest NEA mag.

    Like I said, while it could easily be construed that this type of monitoing is a bad thing, it's equally true that a lack of monitoring would have generated a lawsuit. The computer wasn't secured, and that was a major blunder. Aside forn that, you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
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    the worst bit.. the assistant principla who had the images on his HD, only got transferred
    Again, this is because it is extremely difficult to get rid of anyone in education. All this person wold have to do is claim the principal knew and file a wrongful termination suit. You can't even fire janitors who sleep on the job. It's ridiculous in many ways.
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    This was a fair while ago, July 1...

    Chalos said he doesn't know if the cameras are still operating.
    They find this is happening and they still haven't removed the cameras

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    Originally posted by Chicken
    The thing with education is, you're pretty much damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
    Agreed, but:

    Video cameras trained on young children changing their clothes.

    I can understand a camera outside the changing room to monitor who comes in and out, but that's just passing the point of providing security, to downright invasion of privacy.
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    I know a few stores put cameras in their restrooms (the multi-stall ones), but not sure if they can see much...
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    Originally posted by Chicken
    Again, this is because it is extremely difficult to get rid of anyone in education. All this person wold have to do is claim the principal knew and file a wrongful termination suit. You can't even fire janitors who sleep on the job. It's ridiculous in many ways.
    It's the same here in MA, the teachers union has a deathgrip on the education system, no wonder it sucks so bad, they aren't there to educate, but to protect jobs at any cost.

    Anyways, they should fire everyone involved. If they get any money for this from the school system itself, that $4.2 million or whatever will come from local taxpayers, directly or indirectly. They're suing their neighbors for the educators stupidity.

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    UN-REAL.........WHAT NEXT??????

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    Originally posted by The Dude_
    UN-REAL.........WHAT NEXT??????

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    Daily cavity checks for all teachers in that school.

    Let's see how they like it.
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    Yeah and the HDD was accessed 97+ times from the outside world over the internet from different states...or so foxnews last night reported with the Attorney for the parents. Now doesnt this contrue Child pornography and isnt that a federal crime... so how can the teachers union do a damn thing about that? crime is crime, no matter what it is no one should be able to stop the prosecution or investigation of any crime........let alone one involving children!

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    Originally posted by NewtSys
    Yeah and the HDD was accessed 97+ times from the outside world over the internet from different states...or so foxnews last night reported with the Attorney for the parents. Now doesnt this contrue Child pornography and isnt that a federal crime... so how can the teachers union do a damn thing about that? crime is crime, no matter what it is no one should be able to stop the prosecution or investigation of any crime........let alone one involving children!
    Somehow I doubt they were actually filming the toilet areas, they were probably filming the common areas looking for smoking or something, but I could be wrong, in that case, it might likely be considered child expolitation.

    As for the union comment, that's completely out of context, which seems all to common here, no one said anything about the teacher's union having anything to do with stopping or preventing this crime.

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    outrageous the principal should be sacked he is ultimately responsible...

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    Originally posted by MDJ2000
    Somehow I doubt they were actually filming the toilet areas, they were probably filming the common areas looking for smoking or something, but I could be wrong, in that case, it might likely be considered child expolitation.

    As for the union comment, that's completely out of context, which seems all to common here, no one said anything about the teacher's union having anything to do with stopping or preventing this crime.
    funny the article says "caught while undressing" that doesnt seem like a "common area" to me.

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    I know there was a lot of cry about invasion of privacy from the public in London when the cops had installed street survey cameras to prevent crimes.

    THis is a glaring mistake by the school authorities especially when they have taken such decision to install the cameras in the changing rooms without consent of the parents or appropriate authorities like the police.

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    what bothers me is...

    A Tennessee middle school allowed security cameras to film children undressing in locker rooms and then stored the images on a computer accessible through the Internet.

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    Jon.. tis very bothering, i agree

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    I remember back when I was in highschool in Illinois they were trying to put cameras in our locker room due to the large gang activity and drugs. However the difference was you were aware the cameras would have been there, they decided to overrule it to the outside of the lockerrooms instead just to see who was going in there and had a gym teacher or 2 in the locker room and kept it locked after everyone was dressed and unlocked it when someone had to use the restroom. Now with this school why would you need cameras especially for kids that young? Even then the kids were never aware of the cameras and that is invasion of privacy.
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    3 things:
    1. WTF were the company thinking when they installed the camers? Some kid is going to break into everyone's gym lockers and steal gym cloth?
    2. WTF were the school thinking when they installed the camera and not change the default password?
    3. Who the @#$% would want to access those images? ... at those hours...

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    It's not like the kids were naked were they? So I doubt this would really be considered child porn unless the kids were doing something or there were shower rooms.
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    Originally posted by NationHosts
    It's not like the kids were naked were they? So I doubt this would really be considered child porn unless the kids were doing something or there were shower rooms.
    They were getting changed and IMO thats bad enuogh and deserves prosecution

    think about it, what would you say if this was your children in this problem?

    NOTE: im not getting angry over this, i just feel its wrong

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    I think the security system was probably installed for a number of reasons, not least the major push from PTA's and major celebrities, to stamp down on bullying, as the suicide rate amongst young teens is rising yearly, and most of the time, the reasons behind it are bullying.

    Again, bullies will target areas that are known to be lapse, security wise.

    I think the whole thing is blown out of proportion, with the exception of storing the data on the principles hard drive, when it could be accessed from the outside world.
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    They were getting changed and IMO thats bad enuogh and deserves prosecution

    think about it, what would you say if this was your children in this problem?

    NOTE: im not getting angry over this, i just feel its wrong
    To defend him, I'm pretty sure he wasn't condoning it. Just stating, unfortunately probably correctly, that it wouldn't be child porn because of the lack of nudity and/or suggestive material.

    Either way, people should be fired over this.
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