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    Alright I have been through several different web designing companies and can't really think of a good one that floats my boat. Right now it is called Beechwood Web Design. It was Dildy Web design. Someone told me you must think really hard because the name will be for as long as you own the biz. If anyone has a suggestion, i would love to hear it. I mean i can't think of one. I know we have some really smart people out here with some creativity.

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    Talking This is a .....

    Originally posted by TheComputerGuy
    Alright I have been through several different web designing companies and can't really think of a good one that floats my boat. Right now it is called Beechwood Web Design. It was Dildy Web design. Someone told me you must think really hard because the name will be for as long as you own the biz. If anyone has a suggestion, i would love to hear it. I mean i can't think of one. I know we have some really smart people out here with some creativity.

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    tough one..I am going into hosting myself and drove myself nuts trying to think of a name that wasnt corney

    Finally I thought of one thing I wanted to get across to a visitor the instant they saw the name..I went to http://www.thesaurus.com/ and did a search on different words and their meaning...from that I got ..."Veracity"
    (Veracity defined http://www.thesaurus.com/roget/IV/543.html)

    So was born VeracityHosting ...yes you heard it here first

    Im not done with the site but I have the layout down...good luck to you and take your time



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    What's with this Vera City Hosting? Don't people know that the Internet is global? Besides, where is this Vera City? I never heard of it!

    "uh, Miss Latella, that's Veracity Hosting"


    Never mind!





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    Good choice, Dana. I like the sound of it.

    Of course, the most important thing is making whatever name is chosen stand for something worthwhile, and there have been too many companies with "good" names and lousy practices. However, as a statement of principle and philosophy rather than as a marketing term, Veracity Hosting has a nice appeal. Kudos.
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    Actually....

    Originally posted by Emily Latella
    What's with this Vera City Hosting? Don't people know that the Internet is global? Besides, where is this Vera City? I never heard of it!

    "uh, Miss Latella, that's Veracity Hosting"


    Never mind!




    I thought that people might think its Vera City..thats why on the site there will be something to make it clear.

    I cant tell if your being funny or mean in either event

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    Wink I Agree

    Originally posted by Duster
    Good choice, Dana. I like the sound of it.

    Of course, the most important thing is making whatever name is chosen stand for something worthwhile, and there have been too many companies with "good" names and lousy practices. However, as a statement of principle and philosophy rather than as a marketing term, Veracity Hosting has a nice appeal. Kudos.
    Thats why Im taking my time I want this done right slow and steady wins the race fast and reckless never finishes

    Thank you for the Kudos it means alot to me



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    Dana,

    I hope I was being funny (humor, like beauty, and many other things, is in the eye of the beholder). I would have thought that using the late Gilda Radner's comic character would have indicated humor. She continually misinterpreted things (i.e "what's all this about violins on TV?") I would also hope that any regular realizes by now that I don't say things to be mean.
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    That is a very kudos worthwhile name Dana. I will look at that site and think. Because Beechwood Web Design sucks. But the word audacity comes to mind when you say varacity. But i like the name. Did i spell that right.

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    I had a similar problem. I chose "the next dimension" and then finally landed up with "getmonked" neat eh?


    Dana.. the name is awesome.
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    *lol* understand the naming thing. Trust me when I say I have more than a few problems with akashik.net

    The majority of people ask how to pronounce it

    For the record it's 'ahh-cash-ik' and it's going to be part of my FAQ

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    Talking This is gonna sound bad.....

    Originally posted by Duster
    Dana,

    I hope I was being funny (humor, like beauty, and many other things, is in the eye of the beholder). I would have thought that using the late Gilda Radner's comic character would have indicated humor. She continually misinterpreted things (i.e "what's all this about violins on TV?") I would also hope that any regular realizes by now that I don't say things to be mean.
    But Im *gasp* too young to really know who Gilda Radner is other than she died from cancer right? Im sorry duster I didnt know it was you or that it was a character.

    *feels stupid now* LOL

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    Geez Dana, you should know Duster's a sweetie by now!! *grin*

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    That's right, Greg. I'm the web guru god of laughter and merriment, sort of like Bacchus only with computers instead of wine (they don't mix).

    Dana, you have no excuse. Want to know why? Reruns! ;-D

    FYI, Gilda Radner was one of the regulars on the original Saturday Night Live. She had several characters, Miss Emily Latella, who constantly misinterpreted things, Rosana Rosanadana, who would say "if it's not one thing, it's another" and others. She was married to Gene Wilder, a perfect match.

    One of her classic routines as Emily Latella is asking about the objection to violins on TV. She goes on to talk about how good violins are and that they should be encouraged until Chevy Chase says "Miss Latella, it's violence on TV, not violins". Then her classic reply, "never mind".

    [Edited by Duster on 09-11-2000 at 03:22 PM]
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    VeraCity... VeryPretty !!!

    a good name should ideally, but not necessarily, be:

    1. be easy to recall
    2. be easy to pronounce/spell
    3. be impressive
    4. be blah blah blah

    in other words, that was a very good name you decided on, Dana !!!

    like it enough to wonder if i should register VeraCiti now... LOL !!!!

    just joking

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    Smile Re: VeraCity... VeryPretty !!!

    Originally posted by Learner
    a good name should ideally, but not necessarily, be:

    1. be easy to recall
    2. be easy to pronounce/spell
    3. be impressive
    4. be blah blah blah

    in other words, that was a very good name you decided on, Dana !!!

    like it enough to wonder if i should register VeraCiti now... LOL !!!!

    just joking

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    *snicker* Thanks for the support *all of you* being a host has been my dream for a long time..and Im T minus 6 Weeks 6 days from my target date but whos counting



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    Well your name makes it stick in your mind. It makes you ponder where could you get that name. But it can be a name of Trust, Honesty, Value, And many others. Dana I know the wish. Well I wouldn't go as far as Learner did as registered the name j/k, but I would like to thank all for th suggestions, Duster,Dana,Learner,Akashik, and Kunal. You all have given me a few incites in choosing one of the most important parts of a good biz. Thanks again.

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    on a slightly serious note now...

    Dana... I would suggest you seriously consider registering VeraCiti as well... it's just $10 per year... and if you are serious about your hosting business, this is the way to go.

    On a more serious note, stop seriously considering in the first place... an issue like this doesn't even merit the time lost in serious consideration...

    JUST GO AHEAD AND BOOK IT RIGHT NOW... that way you simply won't be in a position to regret it tomorrow if your hosting business does very well.

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    About how many different domain names do people register that "sound like" their hosting name? For example, if your nsmae was Hosting.com how many other domains would you try to buy? .net? .org? anything that sounds close? What are people's opinions?
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    Investing in your domain name

    hello Angela,

    (1) that depends on the individual. But it would be prudent to book all the three gTLD extensions ie.

    .com
    .net
    .org

    (or at least the first two of them... especially if one is in the hosting business, or in a similar internet service industry.

    (2) also, with the current extinction of almost all meaningful single english words, people are forced to register domain names which are a combination of two words, such as you see in "webauthorities.com"

    i think it would be extremely prudent to book the same name with the hyphen inbetween too.

    that could be problem area no. 1 in the near future, and in my personal opinion, of paramount importance if you are serious about your internet business at your site... and especially if you are already successfully established in the same.

    (3) booking the other gTLD extensions are lower down priority-wise in the list... but nevertheless could save you a lot of hassles tomorrow.

    just imagine what the confusion would have been, including the possible loss of business, if alabanza.com and alabanza.net were two different companies offering similar services?

    (4) as a further precaution (though not absolutely essential) would be to book the common wrong spellings of your original domain name... that is what i had suggested to Dana above... because "citi" is just has much resemblance.

    of course, one could argue that there is no end to all this... VeraCity could be registered as VeraCiti or WeraCity or VeraSity, etc.!!! i agree, and would like to stress that these issues only become important when your business is doing very well... but who is to say tomorrow that these names will be available for you to pick, right? so wouldn't it be better to get them while you can.

    (5) i recently suggested to a client to book 3 separate domain names (because they were phonetically and spelling-wise extremely similar) alongwith the domain name he originally intended to book. why? because not everyone's english is very good!!!

    for example accommodation.com... how many people could spell that correctly? LOL !!!! we did a survey, and we were very amused other examples would be rhythm.com or leisure.com...

    if i were registering these domain names, i would make sure that i also immediately booked acommodation.com and accomodation.com... or rythm.com and liesure.com

    why is this important? many reasons... one is the competition acting smart with you. the other is this... if somebody were to type in my URL incorrectly... he would see a 404 PAGE NOT FOUND error in this browser, right? so what happens, he tries again... and sees the same 404... he curses and tries again... and the same f***ing ****!!!

    so he automatically presumes your server is down... yikes!!! and if he tries two days later with the same incorrect spelling in the URL, it gets even worse ... good god!!! you don't want them to assume your business has folded up and that your site doesn't exist on the net anymore, now would you???

    this argument shouldn't be brushed off so easily, because people don't enter wrong spellings on purpose... they do so because they are under the mistaken assumption that it is the correct spelling.

    that's the drift

    (6) oh well... this is getting so stretched!!! but i am posting it for the benefit of all the members in this forum and their clients (current and future).

    let's look at some more possible problem areas. if you intend to book, say suppose... papertrade.com... it would be also wise to book tradepaper.com...

    or webhost.com and hostweb.com

    but again, common sense would dictate that it wouldn't be all that necessary to book bigdictionary.com and dictionarybig.com together... because very very few people would make such a mistake !!!!

    (7) there is another possible problem area. and those are the suffixes such as: the "-ing" suffix or the plural "-s" or "-es" for domain names. Example: bankingonline.com and bankonline.com or banksonline.com... see???!!!!!! they all sound too familiar and can be easily mistaken for each other, or may be exploited by an unscrupulous competitor tomorrow.

    (8) well, one could argue that ICAAN is now there to protect your interests, or that the courts are there, etc. when it comes to a possible dispute tomorrow.

    my point is... ICAAN and the courts could very well possibly cost more in terms of money outlay, emotional distress and business loss than simply booking a few more "similar" domain names in the first place.

    and should you exercise the ICAAN or the courts option, you don't have total guarantee that you would win, maybe the other guy would win... then what??? you will have no option but to bang your head on your window sill... it would then be just too late... because that is the last resort.

    And with the prices of domain names falling continuously, an investment in this regard wouldn't be too big an amount... especially if you're very serious about using your domain name for commercial profit... for the long term.

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    One thing i have heard no one mention is copyright.

    I mean we mentioned the booking all the extentions but no copyright. Dana may want to look into that incase someone wants to copyright it before she wants to. And if they do she is screwed on that name she looked up and all her time.
    Then you can also be sued for making money on that name and well now i am getting to deep. Just a point to ponder.

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    Cool another important point raised

    yes ComputerGuy... you're right !!!

    except for the fact that it is a TRADEMARK issue and not a COPYRIGHT issue.

    as per the current ICAAN policy... the holder of the TRADEMARK "generally" gets favoured in such disputes ie. if someone else held the TRADEMARK to VeraCity... Dana would have to surrender the domain name... especially because VeraCity is not a generic english word.

    but these things are rare today... and with the arrival of new gTLDs in december, i hope they don't become common issues in the near future. but, as you pointed out, it would be wise to have the name searched whether someone already owns it as a TRADEMARK prior to your registering it.

    but these are things which only the big companies will mostly pursue. very few small companies would make this an issue unless they feel their business is suffering.

    yahoo and amazon and microsoft are some of the big names that have taken a very aggressive initiative on these grounds. someone had registered hotSmail.com and he had to surrender it to microsoft... even though it was not the same name, even though it wasn't a TRADEMARK issue.

    Here it was the courts who ruled.

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    [Edited by Learner on 09-13-2000 at 07:25 AM]

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    Talking HOT????.COM

    LOL!!!!!

    i just confirmed entering hotSmail.com in my browser... and wasn't surprised that i got a message "SERVER NOT FOUND".

    but then, i got an and keyed in hotmale.com instead.

    i would have told you what turned up in my browser... but then... only if it hadn't been for my practicing the dictum:

    SEE NO EVIL... HEAR NO EVIL... and TALK NO EVIL... (there is an overriding clause regarding the latter... ie. unless i find that my hosting company has taken me for a "ride"!!!!!)

    <pun intended>

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    Talking Ai-ya-ya!

    Learner... You should have guessed what the site would contain with that kind of domain name!! LOL

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    If i could have guessed correctly, my name wouldn't have been Learner, i guess !!!!

    Am learning !!! Lemme take a guess now and try hotFEmale.com !!!

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    How does one...

    Register a trademark?

    Are all of your hosting companies a registered trademark?

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    This link will get you going: http://www.uspto.gov

    Note: You can put a little "TM" next to things until you actually register it. In fact, this alone is a trademark, though I wouldn't want to try to defend that in court. The "R" with the circle next to things is a registered trademark. You must use "TM" until you register it officially, and once you get word back that it is registered, you can use the "R" with the circle.

    I am sure this is all explained much better on that site. You can also search for tradmearks via that site to see if yours is taken already. An in-depth trademark search should be done before you register yours (not sure the fees are refundable).

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    Actually I was going to harp on about trademarks, but it's been covered now. Recently here in Australia Virgin Airways moved in and started to hunt ANY business with the word virgin in it - not other airlines (or and other type of business they are in like music etc), but rather anyone. Seems they have trademarked the word virgin and therefore have a legal right to sue anyone who uses it for any sort of business purpose. I think one was a small hairdressing salon, and most were found by picking up the yellow pages.

    Turns out even a registered business/company name isn't even protection. Unless you own the trademark it won't matter against the person who does. A wild example would be, should Microsoft have not trademarked their name, technically anyone with a few dollars could have done it first then sued Uncle Bill even if they had had it as a business name first...

    ... what a tangled web we weave.

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    Thumbs down Ohhh man.....

    Now Im really confused...are any of you a RTM? its 325$ to register and Im wondering if this is something I need to do ASAP or if I can start and then do it.

    Arrrg

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    325?? Man I guess its worth every penny, but i still saying copryright the stuff on it, so no one gets the galls to steal something off it.
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    Thank you Learner for your thoughts. I think I know what I will be doing later...registering domains. Unfortunately some domains that are similar to ours are already taken. You all gave me a lot to think about. Thanks.
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    Dana, if you think it is just $300ish dollars then you missed a few things. You *should* trademark the name in all of its various forms.

    Even just the plain text "veracity" and "veracity.com" could be tradmarked. Logos, etc, etc, etc. Really it could go on, but the best thing to do is to at least trademark your company name as it appears in plain text. Top it off, this sorta thing is a U.S. thing and just because you trademark your name here, doen't mean that Bob in Germany, can't register and trademark a German company called Veracity. Check into international tradmarks if you really want to be depressed.

    Also this applies specifically to the service you offer. Apple is trademarked in regard to Apple Computers. You can't start up Apple Computerz, but you could apply for the tradmark for Apple Tree Trimming.

    All of this is complicated by the web. Things that weren't an issue suddenly have become one. Just think of two John's Garages that have been operating at the same time for over 20 years. These were started at about the same time, but the Arizona John's Garage decides to put up a web site. The Florida John's Garage has trademarked the name and discovers the other John's Garage when they go to register the domain. Yeeeeek.

    And what happens if you register a tradmark for VeraCity Hosting here in the U.S. and Bob registers a German trademark for VeraCity Hosting? You have the domain, but it would be a nightmare if he challenged your right to the domain. Really, it could be ugly, and if an issue ever comes up, you should consult an lawyer (and do this *before* things comes up to prevent it in the first place).

    [Edited by Chicken on 09-14-2000 at 01:02 AM]

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    Chicken, another interesting thread this !!!!

    Thought I should also mention that many countries are signatories to an international convention of such issues as Patents, Trademarks and Copyrights.

    And hearing this about Virgin... oh man !!!! anyway, legally speaking Virgin cannot win but they nothing can stop them from sueing !!! the strategy seems to be to get media hype and scare most people to prevent Virgin from being used as a common business name... just like Microthis and Microthat !!!

    Or maybe the Aust. laws allow them to get away with it. In most other countries they couldn't win on these grounds. But I haven't yet looked up the Aust. laws on this.

    What i liked about your post was that i made a strong point about the accuracy of registering such things internationally.

    Angela, you are welcome!!!

    Dana, don't worry too much. Just start with registering the domain names similar sounding and spelling. spelling is more important of the two in my opinion. The rest can wait till your business grows increasingly profitable. Then money and expenses on these issues won't chew up your bank account!!!

    And Dana, interesting thread you started here !!! This had to be discussed, sooner or later.

    Duster, wondering if you would like to put up an edited version of this tread at your site. These issues raised here about a domain name booking sure is worthwhile knowledge to possess. If you wish, I could write one up for you after doing a little bit more research on this subject.

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    Originally posted by Learner
    [Duster, wondering if you would like to put up an edited version of this tread at your site. These issues raised here about a domain name booking sure is worthwhile knowledge to possess. If you wish, I could write one up for you after doing a little bit more research on this subject.
    Learner
    Sure. It is certainly an important and worthwhile item to consider. What I have now on my site is very brief. Part of it says
    "Give your choice of domain name a great deal of thought. If you make it distinctive enough, you protect yourself from infringement by others who may use a variation of your domain, or register it under the .net, .org, or a country domain. Of course, you can register your domain under .com, .net, and .org (if all are available), and common variations of the spelling if it is not distinctive. You may wish to consult with an attorney on the matter.

    If someone has trespassed on your rights by registering your unique business name, you may force them to relinquish it. See the Disputed Domain Name Policy at ICANN."
    If possible, choosing a unique name that couldn't be used in another industry, is the surest way to prevent any problems with trademark and service mark trespass. That can also prevent the need to register under multiple TLDs to prevent trespassing. If they have no right to use your domain name, they can't use it with any TLD, so you can forget about all the country TLDs that Network Solutions would like you to regiter under (for a hefty fee too, since many of these countries use it as a source of income).

    I'll be glad to expand on this issue. Thanks for the offer.
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    Here are a couple of relevant links

    http://www.wipo.org/eng/ World Intellectual Property Org.
    (this link is to their English section., They have other language versions also)

    http://www.uspto.gov/ U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
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    Thanks for the links. Will research this on the next few weekends and send the draft to you for your review.

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    Trying to break the record for ressurected threads, Adam?







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    Name says it all, Try to think of something that doesnt just sound great but actually has a logical meaning to yourself or in general.

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    Originally posted by pattox
    Name says it all, Try to think of something that doesnt just sound great but actually has a logical meaning to yourself or in general.
    You mean like "The Doctor"
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