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08-27-2003, 04:35 PM #1Junior Guru
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10TB Ethernet....Will it affect dedicated/colocation Prices ?
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Eric Frost writes "From Directions Magazine: 'Because it is now impossible to sell networking unless it is called Ethernet (regardless of the actual protocols used), it is likely that 1 Terabit Ethernet and even 10 Terabit Ethernet (using 100 wavelengths used by 100 gigabit per second transmitter / receiver pairs) may soon be announced. Only a protocol name change is needed. And the name change is merely the acknowledgment that Ethernet protocols can tunnel through other protocols (and vice versa).'"
So my questions is....what do you think is going to happen to prices for servers (obviously they will drop) but i want to hear your opinions.[AIM]: BhAaD99 :: [ICQ]: 79048062 :: [MSN/eMail]: lad_b@hotmail.com
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08-27-2003, 05:16 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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Well 10Gbit ethernet isn't widely deployed yet, so it's going to be quite some time before we see Tbit connections at an affordable price.
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08-27-2003, 05:50 PM #3Web Hosting Master
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I am not sure how you think having 100gbit ethernet is going to help price drops?
Do you know how much the average 10gbit ethernet module costs? Well over $85,000... its not cost-efffective.
You wont see any price drops on servers, can they get any cheaper?
The next module in line was the 40Gbit/sec and Cisco clearly said that their is not enought demand for them to even consider it yet...^^ IM WITH STUPID!! ^^
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08-27-2003, 05:55 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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Other thing you have to consider, redundancy. It's far ebtter to have 10 x 1Gbit links than 1 x 10Gbit link from a redundancy point of view.
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08-27-2003, 06:04 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by [eS]s.h.a.z.y
Do you know how much the average 10gbit ethernet module costs? Well over $85,000... its not cost-efffective.
I'm looking forward to using 10Gbps for some internal aggregation links. But it has zero relevance to Internet capacity pricing in the foreseeable future.
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08-27-2003, 06:06 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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As you say, depends what kit you choose.
Think I'm right in saying LINX got rid of a load of high end Foundry kit fo 10Gbit because it just couldn't cope/wouldn't work.Karl Austin :: KDAWS.com
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08-27-2003, 08:00 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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One major thing that lots of people don't seem to get is that this is really (at this stage) intended as a backbone technology, not as an end-user solution.
As such, it may make it easier for some tier-1s to shift more data around on their long-haul links, but it's not going to suddenly make servers cheaper, promote world peace, or anything like that.Robin Balen
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08-27-2003, 08:06 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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10GB/10TB/100TG Ethernet+ is really not for backbone's (not yet atleast), your not going to find any routers that support 10GB ethernet ports (SONET/SDH is available in OC-x but not ethernet) its more for internal use between core switches and linking different sites using layer2.
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08-27-2003, 08:10 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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You can get 10gbit ethernet interfaces for Cisco 12xxx routers right now:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/...08009209b.html
..but yes, I know what you're sayingRobin Balen
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08-27-2003, 08:17 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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I blame that on the time, its 1AM .. I was looking at that 10GB interface the other night too... Need more sleep...
Its definitly not cost-effective, try pricing up an Cisco 12400 series router
Not to mention, the "Cisco 12000 Series Ten-Port Gigabit Ethernet Line Card (10X1GE-SFP-LC-B)" best price I have seen is $48,000 on ebay (you would need two of those for it to even be worth while)^^ IM WITH STUPID!! ^^
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08-27-2003, 08:50 PM #11WHT Addict
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10X1GE-SFP-LC-B
Remember when you look at a module like that that Cisco loves to under spec the chassis. Bus Speed, backplane, port speed, and overall processor power come in to play.
We went down the road with the "world changing" GEIP for the 75xx, then the "world chaning" GEIP+. Verdict:
GEIP = 200-300 Mbps on a good day
GEIP+ = 500-700Mbps on a good day
Of course, on a 3.2Gbps backplane, you can't expect much. Same holds true for the 85xx, 12008, and 12020 (the latter as it relates to port speed).
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08-27-2003, 10:00 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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The technology is outpacing demand.
Cutting edge stuff just isnt deployed because its usually insanely expensive, i cant imagine 1TB ethernet being deployed for quite some time!
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08-28-2003, 04:43 AM #13Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by wubwob
The technology is outpacing demand.
Cutting edge stuff just isnt deployed because its usually insanely expensive, i cant imagine 1TB ethernet being deployed for quite some time!Myles Loosley-Millman - admin@prioritycolo.com
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08-28-2003, 05:55 AM #14Web Hosting Master
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I believe I'm right in saying that 10Gbit has bene deployed in several places in the UK, one of the main ones being between LINX sites, not entirely sure if it is provisioned over Ethernet though, been a while since I looked.
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08-28-2003, 05:57 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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10GBIT has been deployed in LINX and AMIX for sure.
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08-28-2003, 06:08 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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Infact, according to the latest fee schedule from LINX, you can now connect on a 10gb port if you really need to - it's something like GBP 3,000 per month for the port fee alone however...
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08-28-2003, 06:21 AM #17Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by sagonet
We went down the road with the "world changing" GEIP for the 75xx, then the "world chaning" GEIP+. Verdict:
GEIP = 200-300 Mbps on a good day
GEIP+ = 500-700Mbps on a good day
Of course, on a 3.2Gbps backplane, you can't expect much. Same holds true for the 85xx, 12008, and 12020 (the latter as it relates to port speed).
Oh, and cheaper than the 12xxx series, when you add it all up.
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08-28-2003, 06:26 AM #18Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by robinbalen
Infact, according to the latest fee schedule from LINX, you can now connect on a 10gb port if you really need to - it's something like GBP 3,000 per month for the port fee alone however...
Nice to see them following AMIX and NLIX in pricing steps...^^ IM WITH STUPID!! ^^
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08-28-2003, 09:46 AM #19Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by sigma
We ran into the same thing here, and it was the final straw. We ditched all of our Cisco gear. Juniper routers = wire-speed performance regardless of load, filtering, etc. Consistent and thorough configuration language. Modular design, straightforward software upgrades, uses FreeBSD internally, etc...
Oh, and cheaper than the 12xxx series, when you add it all up.
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08-28-2003, 11:27 AM #20Web Hosting Master
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Those cartoons are pretty low I had held the company (Juniper) in high regard but it seems even though they can deliver a quality product they cannot behave like mature adults.
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08-28-2003, 11:29 AM #21Web Hosting Master
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I thought they were quite good, a bit of light hearted humour.
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Well, even though we use Cisco kit, they made me laugh. I think they definately intend for them to be taken lightly and with a GSOH
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08-28-2003, 11:57 AM #23Web Hosting Master
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Richy i do hope thats a joke Im tired so my detector isnt up to scratch right now.
I like the look of juniper kit - though i have never touched one ((
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08-28-2003, 12:50 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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It wont affect it one bit. It will change some products, it will facilitate easier mass peering, it will result in switching fabric being uprated on some products.
A drop in transit price will mainly come when there is more bandwidth in the last mile, then there will be increased ability for networks too offload, at the moment the greatest strain on a network is egress, the last mile, give an entire country 10 mbps broadband and youd see prices fall, leave em on 56k and cry.--
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08-28-2003, 06:46 PM #25Web Hosting Master
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Generally its more acceptable to make fun of your own company rather then others.
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