host spammer notice

ADEhost · #1 08-01-2003, 09:27 AM

spammer : websitehostings.us , etechsol.com ,
etechsol.net

sending off to the boys at spews, hope they take the host and the datacenter with it.

Oh this is becasue they sent there hosting spam right into my public spam account. ... caught you !

Dedicatedone · #2 08-01-2003, 10:57 AM

thanks for the heads up

SideFX · #3 08-01-2003, 12:14 PM

Nice thanks for the information

BlueB · #4 08-01-2003, 05:16 PM

Just curious... is it smart to hope the DC goes down? DCs usually host many servers, which may affect other sites and host that are "innocent" in this respect.

So far I have had no spammers though if any of them start sending out unsolicited mail, it's instant suspension for them, possibly worse.

ADEhost · #5 08-01-2003, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by BlueB
Just curious... is it smart to hope the DC goes down? DCs usually host many servers, which may affect other sites and host that are "innocent" in this respect.

So far I have had no spammers though if any of them start sending out unsolicited mail, it's instant suspension for them, possibly worse.

where there is 1 spammer there are likely more.

and since this a host that is spamming, i would like the colateral damage to be as big as possible so that quality host and hosting centers gather the business

Exon · #6 08-01-2003, 10:12 PM

ADE but basically you're trying to kill the mouse with a hand grenade in someone else's house.

Sure, where 1 spammer is located there _might_ be more, but you can't expect a bunch of innocent sites to go down because your PUBLIC E-mail box got a spam in it...can you?

In all honesty I doubt an ENTIRE DC would be punished. What if it were at RackShack...then WHT would go down.

ADEhost · #7 08-01-2003, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by Exon
ADE but basically you're trying to kill the mouse with a hand grenade in someone else's house.

Sure, where 1 spammer is located there _might_ be more, but you can't expect a bunch of innocent sites to go down because your PUBLIC E-mail box got a spam in it...can you?

In all honesty I doubt an ENTIRE DC would be punished. What if it were at RackShack...then WHT would go down.

the account was active 24 hours after I sent the host / upstream and other upstream notice.

spews takes out the IP first, then a range, then it grows from there.

if it takes out the datacenter it's not my problem, if any datacenter can not manage spam issue from a host about another host with proper presentation of information, then I really hope that the blacklising takes them out entirely.

Spam is a big problem, I will nip it completely when and how I can. if the innocent went to a datacenter that does not enforce there spam policy then it's up to them to realize that they can/will become part of the spam problem and not a solution.

hey I have been blacklisted by spews ... I also was able to get myself off from them.

Mike

BlueB · #8 08-02-2003, 03:55 AM

Spammers are everywhere... if one gets onto RackShack, of course they'd get shut down. But if RackShack is shutdown as well, well - goodbye!

PhilG · #9 08-02-2003, 06:54 AM

ADEHOST.Com, you offer hosting right... say a client of yours spams, would you be happy if your ISP shut your entire service off, just because 1 client spammed?

I am currently on spews because someone on my NETBLOCK (Let me make this clear, It was not my servers but someone else on the same network) spammed. Yet I am punished.

You only realise how ****ed up it is until your listed for no direct reason.

MrAlien · #10 08-02-2003, 12:04 PM

I got so many spams in a day that I am afraid to open up my inbox in the morning

It's horrible

CrazyTech · #11 08-02-2003, 12:33 PM

Well punishing the person is one thing, punishing the host and the dc is completely uncalled for (IMHO) unless they don't try to do anything about it. I mean if you have a host or dc for that matter that is known and been proven spam friendly, that is one thing. However punishing hosts as they do right now by blacklisting servers really punishes the good more than it does anything to the bad. In most cases spammers are one to a server, that one person sends out spam, and the other 40-50 (saying it's a fairly sized server) are punished for the one's spam. It's really the only way for these lists to function, but they do end up doing more good than bad. The best defence is for hosts and dcs to keep a vigilant watch and try to keep all spammers from their servers such as RS does.

ADEhost · #12 08-02-2003, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by PhilG
ADEHOST.Com, you offer hosting right... say a client of yours spams, would you be happy if your ISP shut your entire service off, just because 1 client spammed?

I am currently on spews because someone on my NETBLOCK (Let me make this clear, It was not my servers but someone else on the same network) spammed. Yet I am punished.

You only realise how ****ed up it is until your listed for no direct reason.

first off, if a client of mine spam's and it's reported to me the account is suspend, then sender of the notice is notified, then final action is taken within 12 hours of the notified.

Second, I was on spews and it was not my issue, yet I get it resoved from the carrier level to the liable party. took me 5 months but I kept at it.

Third, a datacenter that does not enforce a strong policy is as much to blame as a spammer. so if your colateral damage, you made a bad choice in whom you are dealing with. Just like buying a house next to tilted building, it's cheap because the risk of it falling is higher on your head is higher. Same with datacenters that have little/no enforcement.

best of luck and I hope you end up in a better datacenter that is concerned for your long term welfare and business growth.

Michael

ADEhost · #13 08-02-2003, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by CrazyTech
The best defence is for hosts and dcs to keep a vigilant watch and try to keep all spammers from their servers such as RS does.

yes, it's true. but you know and I know it's a money issue.

I came to the realization that : the better I was at admitting that the clients money is not worth future spam issues the better I am in the long run to protect my cleints interest.

Mike

sickboy · #14 08-03-2003, 05:46 PM

Spam, Spam, Spam

We have had a run in with spews and the like organizations. While there intentions are good and I agree with the kill the spam philosophy I do believe some of there methods are not helping the cause. I.E.
I have recently recieved a call from monkeys.com Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg@monkeys.com) who called and accused me and my company of being in ca-hoots with spammers and that i am a spammer my self etc. When someone calls you and attacks you this does not fair well. I see he has also listed me in his "spam friendly isp list" Now after we got past all his acusations and threats we were able to find the culprit on my my network and I have disposed of him as a client. But now I am listed in spews which I have read here several times is next to impossible to get off of. There has to be a more friendly way of accomplishing the goal. I guess my real complaint is that these spam prevention companies should work with providers instead of against them. i.e. DBSL and there open relay check is very helpful. Being in the dedicated server business it is hard to catch customers before they make a mistake like opening up a relay server or not securing a telnet port etc. and lets face it you don't know if one of your clients is a spammer/offender often until it is to late. I would love to participate in block lists ect but i cannot bring myself to do it as long as these companies are working against and not with providers.