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10-20-2017, 12:10 PM #1Junior Guru Wannabe
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Shared Hosting + CloudFlare = Better Load Time?
Hey guys,
I'm currently using StableHost Shared Hosting plan, and they're fine and everything, but I'm looking for ways to speed things up a bit.
Will adding Cloudflare (FREE plan) do any good?
Some Stats on the site:
- Wordpress
- 10K Visits/Month
- 60% of visits from US & Canada
- 15% Europe
- 5% Australia
- Lots of plugins, CSS & scripts on the site
I tried to get a definite answer by searching the forum, but opinions differ vastly.
On the one hand, people say that Cloudflare isn't that helpful for Wordpress as WP is mostly dynamic-content, and CF is only good for static sites.
On the other hand, some people claim that it does help with speed as it decreases latency and also blocks spam bots, hackers etc..
Can anyone clarify?
P.S. Does CF support javascript A/B Testing?
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10-20-2017, 12:13 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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Are you on our cluster network? Are you running the Litespeed cache plugin for Wordpress? Both of these will make your site extremely fast and we highly recommend them.
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10-20-2017, 01:46 PM #3Web Hosting Industry Expert
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10-20-2017, 05:48 PM #4Newbie
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Wordpress is mostly dinamic, and CF is not that useful in the dynamic side of things. But it does reduce the server load by serving cached images/js/css from CF servers that may be closer to the user than your server is.
For example, test your speed with and without cloudflare to Australia, the second page load after CF has cached the images/js/css is much faster.
CF also protects wordpress login page by default against bruteforce.
As mentioned above use LSCache plugin.
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10-20-2017, 09:38 PM #5The Linux Specialist
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Since you are with StableHost, it is best to contact them directly and ask for advice as they can give you better suggestions for your site.
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10-20-2017, 09:41 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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10-21-2017, 06:00 PM #7Problem Solver
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Cloudflare will help even if your site is mostly dynamic because it will cache the non-dynamic elements. I do suggest using a caching plugin in wordpress if you are not already doing so.
Cloudflare reduces latency to -static- objects. It will not reduce the latency for your dynamic content. Dynamic content will still have to be downloaded to the closest to user datacenter.
It will help with spam/bots/and hackers, however it is limited. You would need their paid offering to get the best of that.Steven Ciaburri | Industry's Best Server Management - Rack911.com
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10-22-2017, 10:43 AM #8Junior Guru Wannabe
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Yes, I'm on the cluster network.
Currently using W3 Total Cache plugin to do the caching. Never heard of LiteSpeed Cache before. Do I still need it if I have W3TC installed?
That's exactly what I was thinking.
I've got a lot of static files & images that can benefit from being cached by CloudFlare's servers, thereby reducing the load on the actual host server.
I use W3 Total Cache, but some people here suggested that I'll use the LiteSpeed Cache plugin.
Should I use it instead, or alongside W3TC?
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10-22-2017, 11:09 AM #9Newbie
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Remove W3 Total Cache, Install LSCache.
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10-22-2017, 02:24 PM #10Junior Guru
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Cloudflare helps but I don't know how much, if your server is slow it can increase the connection speed but if your site is huge it isn't really going to make it lightening fast, especially like a WP site with dynamic content I don't think it does much at all.
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10-22-2017, 02:39 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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This is key to addressing any speed issues. If the core is not addressed, adding caches and flares is just putting icing on a cake that hasn't been baked yet.
1. What plugins are your running?
2. When you mentioned scripts...what are they? Are they WordPress related?
3. Is or has your database been optimized? The database is the engine behind WordPress, whereas PHP works alongside it. Unfortunately with the account being Shared, there are limits to what can be done.
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10-23-2017, 02:56 AM #12Newbie
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Cloudflare is strong on DDOS protect. I have tried the free & pro plan. But it didn't make my website run faster.
I think you should use MaxCDN or Amazon Cloudfront. Their CND service is much better than Cloudflare and your website will be speed up
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10-23-2017, 06:59 AM #13Web Hosting Master
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There's no harm adding CloudFlare due to the benefits involved, but as others have mentioned, it will not improve your performance significantly. Try using LiteSpeed Cache (LSCache) instead. We've seen it done wonders to WP sites.
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10-24-2017, 11:21 AM #14Web Hosting Industry Expert
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It's worth noting that a CloudFlare Optimized Partner will have a RailGun server for you to use which will speed up connectivity / decrease latency between the user and the actual origin server location as well even for dynamic content.
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10-24-2017, 01:11 PM #15Junior Guru Wannabe
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1) Currently running about 30 plugins.
I was recently on a deletion rampage and removed many unnecessary ones, but this is the bare minimum I could get down to.
2) Mostly third party scripts and tracking analytics stuff.
3) I used WP Optimize not long ago to clean the DB. Is that what you mean by optimized?
I'm currently in the process of testing W3TC vs LiteSpeed Cache, looking for a guide on how to configure it to extract the best out of it.
Railgun is only available in the Business/Enterprise plans so I'll have to make do without it for now.
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10-24-2017, 01:48 PM #16Web Hosting Master
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30 is within the high end of plugin usage, and with each plugin installed, more resources are used, which then starts to slow things down...which is why added more things on the outside is just making slow appear fast, when it's still slow.
Of your 30 plugins, if any of them are GravityForms...switch to Formidable. GF uses a lot of memory.
Now if you have time...install the P3 Profiler plugin, and have it scan your plugin memory usage. It will tell you how much memory each plugin uses. If any of them are resource heavy, see if there's an alternative plugin that uses less to replace it with.
This is also where you're losing speed. Each script tends to add a second of loading time while it's gathering information and sending it off. There are analytics that can installed locally to cut down on loading.
Yes.
Be careful with some of the settings you find online for W3TC. Some settings are dependent on your hosting environment, and some which related css and js will either combine those elements, or break everything.
With the amount of traffic you currently have...you should also think of upgrading on your list. What will happen, depending on the host, is many of the issues you're having will be taken care of from the host end, instead of adding elements to correct issues.██ WPCYCLE MANAGED WORDPRESS WEB HOSTING ██
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10-24-2017, 03:25 PM #17Web Hosting Industry Expert
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You can use a provider's RailGun free of charge on any plan, even the free CloudFlare Plan, if the provider is a CloudFlare Optimized Partner. That said it won't be *your own* RailGun server - but the one provided to you by your provider. Realistically the benefit will be the same regardless.
It's a nice perk, imho.█ Michael Denney - MDDHosting.com - Proudly hosting more than 37,800 websites since 2007.
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10-24-2017, 05:39 PM #18Junior Guru Wannabe
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cluodflare doesn't change loading speed of your website
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10-25-2017, 11:29 AM #19Web Hosting Industry Expert
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With caching, they definitely can. With RailGun, they definitely can.
To say turning CloudFlare on will make a site faster I think is a bit too generic/general - but it is possible if properly configured and optimized for your needs to speed up the site for the end-users.
You are correct if all you're saying is that it doesn't cause the origin web server to process your PHP/MySQL any faster - as it has no impact on that beyond possibly sending less requests to the server resulting in more free resources to handle the requests that do make it to the origin server.█ Michael Denney - MDDHosting.com - Proudly hosting more than 37,800 websites since 2007.
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