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Old 07-20-2003, 12:41 PM
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Nocster/Burstnet Billing


It appears as though I can't get away from burstnet. Here's my story, because it seems like while sean has plenty of time to post here at WHT, he doesn't have time to help me to resolve this issue.

After the horrible network uptimes in March, I decided to move all services to another provider. So I went ahead went into their billing system and printed off all of the invoices listed within, and made sure that they were all marked as paid. I then cancelled my account through their cancellation form. I ended up getting the following correspondence in return:


****************************
>Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
> (david@ion-web.com) on Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 22:27:46
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>----
>
>name: David XXXXX
>
>account: XXXXXXX.ion-web.com
>
>account_number: XXXX
>
>account_password: XXXXXX
>
>service_cancel_date: Today
>


This email is to confirm your cancellation request of:
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 22:27:46

If you were invoiced for advance service prior to this cancellation, your account has been adjusted accordingly.

Thank you for your past business!

Sean R.
BurstNET
System Administration
****************************


And then, this followed:



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Ruth D. has responded to your help desk request.

-----------------------------------------------
(Ruth D.)
-----------------------------------------------
Dear Mr. XXXXX,

Thank you so very much for submitting your cancellation form. I have closed your billing account with us. You will not be charged any longer. Please do not hesitate to contact us if we could be of any further assistance.

BurstNET Billing,

Ruth
****************************


Not too bad, and I thought everything was completely done. All the customers were moved over, the server was paid for and all was fine with the world.

I thought I'd test out the billing login, since Ruth said it was cancelled - I could not get in. Their 'forgot password' link also didn't work. Good thing I printed out **all** of the invoices within it. Satisfied that this was completed, I went on and continued with business as normal.

Last week I received this message from burstnet:


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Dear David,

This letter is to inform you that you owe 15.46 to BurstNET Technologies Inc.
Your last statement was sent on 4/1/2003.
The current date is 7/17/2003.
All past due balances are due immediately.

Please make payment on your account to avoid service suspension.

Overdue accounts that are not paid will be turned over to our collection agency within 30 days.

BurstNET bills in advance for all services.

Your current invoice must be paid prior to the first day of your new billing period.

Invoice: XXXXX Taxes: 0.00 Total: 10.00 Paid: 0.00
Setup Fee -- IP Address Block of (10) 5.00
3/19/2003 to 4/16/2003 -- IP Address Block of (10) 5.00
--Domain #4253..XXXXXXX.ion-web.com 0.00

Invoice: XXXXX Taxes: 0.00 Total: 5.00 Paid: 0.00
4/16/2003 to 5/16/2003 -- IP Address Block of (10) 5.00
--Domain #4253..XXXXXXX.ion-web.com 0.00

Invoice: XXXXX Taxes: 0.00 Total: 0.23 Paid: 0.00
Late Fee Charge - 1.5% per month on Past Due Balances 0.23

Invoice: XXXXX Taxes: 0.00 Total: 0.23 Paid: 0.00
Late Fee Charge - 1.5% per month on Past Due Balances 0.23
****************************


This is the first notice that we owed anything at all to Burst.net since that last correspondence up above. I wrote a long email to burst billing immediately, and CC'd sean@burst.net about it. These invoices were not in the billing system at the time I had access to them - if they were, I would have paid for them and printed them. I stated that I had no problems paying for services rendered - that's still not a problem. $15 is easy money. But I also stated that I was not made aware of all of these charges, and that I cannot pay at all because I've been locked out of their billing system. I received a 2 line response to this email:


****************************
This has been in the system since back then.
We only recently discovered that canceled accounts were not being sent statements...

SMA
PRES/CEO
BURSTNET
****************************


So they recently discovered that cancelled accounts were not being statements - that's somehow my problem now. They're also going to charge me late fees for their error, and also THREATEN TO SEND ME TO COLLECTIONS. How nice. He did not touch on the rest of the email, where I state that I cannot pay, as I have no billing login information.

So I guess I'm stuck. I guess we're going to be turned over to collections for their error. I am not paying their late fees for something that they caused. Nobody has responded to me, and they aren't apparently ready to provide a billing login that works so I can see these invoices.

In the meantime, rather than work with me to resolve the issue, burstnet appears to be happy to post here on WHT - my reason for bringing it to this forum. Also, it might serve as a warning to others - BurstNet will make a mistake, charge you for their error, and then not respond to questions regarding it. They also breached their own policy located here:

http://www.nocster.com/policy/contract.pdf

"Section 2.2:
Client shall receive a confirmation letter/invoice via e-mail and/or mail at the time Client contracts for the BurstNET™ services, which shall confirm the fees payable to Burst-
NET™. Thereafter, Client shall receive a monthly billing invoice/statement for the upcoming month, which shall indicate any changes in fees, which shall become effective upon
thirty (30) days' notice as set forth in Section 2.4 herein."

They did not notify me of any charges till after they marked them up some with late fees, THEN found it ok to email me about it.

-David

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Old 07-20-2003, 01:25 PM
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Don't worry about it. Same thing happened to us when we had a virtual hosting account with them. They didn't bill us for MONTHS.

We have since moved on from the nightmare. Hope u can get this straightened out in a timely manner.

Dave/JE

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Old 07-20-2003, 01:28 PM
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sorry to hear your story.....

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Old 07-20-2003, 01:35 PM
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Personally i wouldn't expect such a thing from such companies.
As far as i read & know they do their business professionally ...
I'm sure one of them will respond on this thread.

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Old 07-20-2003, 01:37 PM
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Thats another reason why we left them, there billing was not the best.

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Old 07-20-2003, 01:37 PM
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See, that's the thing. The only response I got was "This has been in the system since back then.
We only recently discovered that canceled accounts were not being sent statements..."

Disregarding all of the other information I put in the email. I just want to pay for the services that I owe them for, but *not* pay for their mistake.

-David

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Old 07-20-2003, 01:44 PM
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I buy my Nocster box through a reseller (Mainarea). Letting someone else deal with the problems is the way to go heh.

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Old 07-20-2003, 01:56 PM
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David,

The late fees amount to a sum of $0.46, hardly a sum to get angry over, but I can understand your concern out of principle. Posting a thread here at WHT with the title "Nocster/Burstnet Billing - BEWARE"...was that really necessary over $0.46?

To the matter at hand though:

Please be patient, we are working on this matter for you. Our billing dept is only open Mon-Fri 9AM-5PM. We will have this resolved by close of business Monday.

Of course we are not going to charge you late fees for something that is not your fault. We are 100% honest, we would not do that to a current customer, nor an ex-customer. You do owe the fees for the add-on features, but may not have received the statement back then, as the account was probably closed prior to the statement batch being sent. Our billing system, Platypus, we realized was not sending out statements to cancelled accounts, only live/suspended ones. We activated that feature, and it sent them all out in one batch last week. There is also an issue where closed accounts cannot access the web interface, and we have to wait until Monday to talk to Boardtown on how to correct this.


SMA
PRES/CEO
BURSTNET

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Old 07-20-2003, 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by BurstNET
David,

Please be patient, we are working on this matter for you. Our billing dept is only open Mon-Fri 9AM-5PM. We will have this resolved by close of business Monday.

Of course we are not going to charge you late fees for something that is not your fault. We are 100% honest, we would not do that to a current customer, nor an ex-customer. You do owe the fees for the add-on features, but may not have received the statement back then, as the account was probably closed prior to the statement batch being sent. Our billing system, Platypus, we realized was not sending out statements to cancelled accounts, only live/suspended ones. We activated that feature, and it sent them all out in one batch last week. There is also an issue where closed accounts cannot access the web interface, and we have to wait until Monday to talk to Boardtown on how to correct this.


SMA
PRES/CEO
BURSTNET
Sean,

Ahh, see I didn't know your billing staff was only in during the regular working hours - I was sent the email that started all of this off after business hours on friday...

I'm glad to have received such a response from you here on WHT. *just* before this happened, we ordered another server from one of your resellers - one of the 1000 gb transfer models with a lower cpu/ram ratio. I was also pleased to see freeBSD as a no-cost option. It's going to be used for remote backup a status page, and some other non-critical services.

I look forward to correspondence from your billing department in the coming week to resolve this issue.

Best Regards,
David

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Old 07-20-2003, 02:11 PM
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Perhaps if you would have replaced the two line answer you sent to him via email with this explanation you could have avoided this thread entirely?

Just a thought.....

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Old 07-20-2003, 02:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by BurstNET
David,

The late fees amount to a sum of $0.46, hardly a sum to get angry over, but I can understand your concern out of principle. Posting a thread here at WHT with the title "Nocster/Burstnet Billing - BEWARE"...was that really necessary over $0.46?
Ahh, you edited this in....

I felt as though the issue was not being addressed at all, based on the correspondence that we've had thus far. This could have also happened with any of these other add-on services:
https://secure.burst.net/orders/nocster/6.shtml

It was more the principal of the matter, as well as the verbage of the original email that sounded accusatory at the least.

-David

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Old 07-20-2003, 02:26 PM
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i think the mods should remove this post or at least change the title of the thread.
this turned out to be a rather pointless post really.

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Old 07-20-2003, 02:29 PM
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In hindsight I could have added a little more details. I was just trying to explain what happened, and was letting the billing dept deal with it :-)

Anyways, glad everything is ok, and we'll get you all patched up Monday.

Thank for the new upcoming order, glad to see confidence in our network is slowly being restored. Alex has worked wonders for us the past few months.

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Old 07-20-2003, 02:42 PM
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hehehe...we get the same thing for our 2 cancelled Xeon box. Just drop an email to Ruth and she will take care for you.

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