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07-07-2003, 07:12 PM #1Web Hosting Guru
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Dual oc 192's out of NJ?
Does anyone know of a provider that has dual 192's out of NJ? I got this friend and i think he's being taken for a ride!
this guy tells me dedicatednow.com told him they are running Dual oc-192's
HAHHAHLast edited by SeanK; 07-07-2003 at 07:18 PM.
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07-07-2003, 07:17 PM #2Aspiring Evangelist
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Only the big guys have OC192 backbones.. so if its Sprint, AT&T, UUNET, Qwest, you get the idea... then its true.
But they only have OC192 as their backbone to their largest POPs. All of them have network maps on their sites so you can see where the OC192 pipes are.< < E Z Z I . n e t > >
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07-07-2003, 07:46 PM #3Web Hosting Master
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Does the NAC DC have OC192 running thru them. I would guess there would be quite a few OC48 running.
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07-07-2003, 07:46 PM #4Disabled
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XO
XO has OC-192
Global Crossing
I'm almost sure GC (GLX) has OC-192 too
Aleron
Aleron Has OC-48
MFN
MFN has OC-192 to london the rest off usa it's all about OC-48 and 1 OC-12 (LA to Boston and than 2x OC-12 to lodon)
and a OC-3 (NY / Atlanta)
Verio
Has OC-48 and OC-12 all over us (more OC-48 than OC-12)
and has a few OC-12 to lodon and 4 OC-48 and about 6 OC-12 and about 10 OC-3
Wiltel
Has lot's off OC-48 around us and DS-3 , OC-3 , OC-12 and GiG-e true usa..
Cable & Wireless
Has a couple off OC-48 around usa...
Cogent
I think it's OC-192 there hole backbone true us...
UUNet
has all kind'a backbones goin true usa
DedicatedNow MIGHT have a GiG-E noting more beacuse when they had that problem it there backbone they had anh
OC-12 ( 622Mbps ) They might have 2x OC-12 now but I don't see they having more than 1.5 GB/s
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07-07-2003, 07:56 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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Oh yeah, i totally forgot that's the point where they start going overseas. So all of the major carrier should have OC192 in that region or near Ashburn.
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07-07-2003, 08:01 PM #6Disabled
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Originally posted by Mfjp
Oh yeah, i totally forgot that's the point where they start going overseas. So all of the major carrier should have OC192 in that region or near Ashburn.
The most OC-192 fiber in us i think it's cogent... that covers major city's
there are mayble 2-3 more that have OC-192 but it's not that much...
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07-08-2003, 12:18 AM #7Junior Guru Wannabe
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I would see a problem in lying to a customer. Then again DN is not a scam. But why would it matter if they had dual OC-192s unless they were a) overselling or congesting it or b) you needed 10Gbps? Very few companies have OC-192s at all, and probably none with two out of the same POP (and in NJ!). It's threads like these which are patently confusing.
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07-08-2003, 12:32 AM #8Web Hosting Master
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OC-192s are big pipes, I remember getting a quote from Qwest awhile back for OC-48 it was nearly a million dollars per month, this was also a few years ago.
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07-08-2003, 01:07 AM #9WHT Addict
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Originally posted by roundice
I would see a problem in lying to a customer. Then again DN is not a scam. But why would it matter if they had dual OC-192s unless they were a) overselling or congesting it or b) you needed 10Gbps? Very few companies have OC-192s at all, and probably none with two out of the same POP (and in NJ!). It's threads like these which are patently confusing.
I know Cogent has Dual OC-192 Backbone and their Metro's are only oc-48 I believe.
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07-08-2003, 02:01 AM #10Disabled
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Originally posted by Daver
Several Providers have Dual OC-192's for redundancy. Especially in a area where they are hoping to their overseas peers.
I know Cogent has Dual OC-192 Backbone and their Metro's are only oc-48 I believe.
obs :
OC-12 (622Mbps)
OC-48 (2.5 Gbps)
OC-192(10 Gbps)
OC-192s are big pipes, I remember getting a quote from Qwest awhile back for OC-48 it was nearly a million dollars per month, this was also a few years ago.
Soh 1 Million dollars for a OC-48 i don't see that how in today marks. i would say it's from
US$ 75.000.00 (cogent)
to max.
US$ 500.000.00 (tier1 high bw prices hehe )
But in these days it's best to get like 2 GiG-e it a commint offuse off only 200 mb/s but burst. to 1 GB both linesLast edited by hostingsp; 07-08-2003 at 02:12 AM.
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07-08-2003, 02:11 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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Be careful with marketing material, what Cogent's site says:
The Cogent national backbone is designed to operate at OC-192. The MAN rings at OC-48. Our Cisco Powered Network uses ring redundancy and protected optronics to ensure survivability and availability of service.
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07-08-2003, 02:18 AM #12Disabled
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Originally posted by allan
Be careful with marketing material, what Cogent's site says:
That doesn't mean their backbone is actually operating at OC192, just that it is OC192 capable. Considering their relatively small client base, I don't believe they would have a need to operate at full OC192 at this time.
Cogent is the first and only IP data only nationwide network in the country. Running at an unprecedented 80 Gbps
PS : but i don't think cogent needs to operate at 80 GB/s it no mark using that much beacuse it's just goin to heat up there fiber (not only the fiber) and no good comes from this if you are not using itLast edited by hostingsp; 07-08-2003 at 02:35 AM.
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07-08-2003, 03:33 AM #13Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by hostingsp
I don't think cogent will say they can operate at that speed and can't not operate at that speed...
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07-08-2003, 03:37 AM #14Web Hosting Master
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Yep, I think I could go lease a dark fiber tomorrow and tell the world I'm OC192 capable. The fiber itself is capable, if that is what the company is trying to promote the whole way.
I personally don't take that OC stuff anymore, all I care is if I could get the whole bw I brought for out the pipes.
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07-08-2003, 03:53 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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Soh 1 Million dollars for a OC-48 i don't see that how in today marks. i would say it's from
US$ 75.000.00 (cogent)
to max.
US$ 500.000.00 (tier1 high bw prices hehe )
But in these days it's best to get like 2 GiG-e it a commint offuse off only 200 mb/s but burst. to 1 GB both lines [/B]
This is most likely the case today, this was awhile back I think around 1999 maybe 2000?
Most places unless they have their own backbone are not running oc48s or oc192.
OC3s and gig-es are fairly common place today.
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07-08-2003, 03:59 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by ispclub.com
Only the big guys have OC192 backbones.. so if its Sprint, AT&T, UUNET, Qwest, you get the idea... then its true.
But they only have OC192 as their backbone to their largest POPs. All of them have network maps on their sites so you can see where the OC192 pipes are.
So in other words, no DN nor any company for that matter, is running a "dual-OC192", technically it's possible that they have a 20 Gbps (or their carrier) but they certainly don't have 2 OC192's running, nor a network that could handle anywhere NEAR 2 OC192's (just guessing).
Originally Posted by neonlexxA well-reasoned assumption is very close to fact.
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07-08-2003, 04:05 AM #17Web Hosting Master
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I know for a fact that setup fee was $90k.
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07-08-2003, 04:14 AM #18Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by neonlexx
I know for a fact that setup fee was $90k.A well-reasoned assumption is very close to fact.
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07-08-2003, 01:30 PM #19Web Hosting Master
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It depends what they mean. I strongly doubt they have an OC-192 run to their building. If they mean that their upstream has an OC-192, I'd believe it.
But that's extremely deceptive. I have a cable modem, but if you do a traceroute, my cable company's peered with places having GigEs, OC-48's, etc. But that doesn't mean I have an OC-48 backbone at my house! A lot of places seem to have this, and I don't see how it's anything but blatant fraud.
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07-08-2003, 01:37 PM #20Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by allan Considering their relatively small client base, I don't believe they would have a need to operate at full OC192 at this time.
Having an OC-192 backbone is vastly different than having two of them running into your colo cabinet, which is rather what DN seems to be implying is the case.
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07-08-2003, 01:48 PM #21Web Hosting Master
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dedicatednow uses NAC only and NAC's largest pipe is an GIGE (1000mbit) ... No where near an OC192..
Lets not forget the heavy packetloss everyone was complaing over because NAC had delays in adding an additional OC12 (622mbits)....
http://www.nac.net/images/networkmaps/nacnetworkmap.gif
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07-08-2003, 02:11 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by fog
I'm not so sure. If they had 100 customers with 100 Mbps lines, they'd fill the OC192. 10 people with GigE lines would fill it. I'm willing to bet that Cogent has more than 100 customers. (They claim that they don't oversell.)
Think about it, I think last I read...hold on...Okay, according to their latest SEC filing, they had revenue of $14.233 Million for the first quarter of 2003, assuming an average of customer billing of $1000 per month, that's 4744 customers (Cogent does not release actual customer numbers, so this is speculation on my part).
If they did not oversell they would have to maintain 474,400 Megabit connections throughout their backbone and to all other ISPs they peer with -- that does not seem realistic to me .
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07-08-2003, 04:47 PM #23Web Hosting Master
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I'd actually bet that the majority of the lines they sell are of the $3K reselling-allowed variety, although it's nothing but a guess.
But yeah, some people make it sound like overselling even slightly should be a felony. Phone companies oversell -- if everyone in America picked up their phone at once, there'd be a lot of busy signals. They have enough lines to support their 'peak' call volume and then some, so the "All circuits are busy" messages are (usually) rare, but they _do_ oversell. Similarly, airlines regularly "overbook" slightly, figuring that a few people won't show up. It is a fact of business; it's when it's done excessively that it's a problem. (Such as if an airplane put 12,000 people on one jet.)
BTW, from dedicatednow.com:
"DedicatedNow will offer fast, reliable connectivity to the internet via multiple OC-12 connections to over 75 diverse providers." -- http://www.dedicatednow.com/?pid=network
(Of course, now the "75 diverse providers" is slightly deceptive... It looks like they have about 3 providers who are peered with all sorts of people.)
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fog
Beacuse they have to provide that speed 24/7 that's is statement in ervy sla...
but they might over-sell it but i don't think cogent east to west fiber is overselled beacuse they have 2x OC-192 but the metro area I don't know how they oversell and how much
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07-09-2003, 03:12 AM #25Web Hosting Master
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Fog,
Maybe this would help a little. You have to take into account that Traffic are routed and switched. That means that the whole 474,000 Megs of bandwidth is not running on a singled OC192. The traffic is split and spread amongst node from point to point.
backbone provider could also do overselling now because DWDM gear is ready and waiting. Once they filled up the Link, they could just use another wavelength. This is the art of light.