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Old 07-21-2001, 07:24 PM
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ips and hosting


I really dont see many hosts using name based hosting, but that is just me, I know they are out there, my question is, do your NOCs allow you to give one ip perdomain? Lets say you host 240 domains, will you noc give you a full c address? What about the arin rule about no more ips for that(I might have got that wrong).



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Old 07-21-2001, 08:00 PM
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I'm pretty sure ARIN rules say IP-based virtual hosting is a bad-thing(TM).

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Old 07-21-2001, 08:26 PM
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I'm not sure exactly what the Arin rules are, but I offer static ip addresses to my customers...thus the ability for them to install secure certs for their domain. There are a few smaller ones I use name-based hosting for, but not many.

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Old 07-21-2001, 08:31 PM
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sbrad, do you colocate? Are they fine with it?

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Old 07-21-2001, 08:37 PM
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I have dedicated servers, and it's cool. I get all the ip's I need. Now, I'm not saying that's always going to be the case. Either something's going to have to give, or ipv6 is really going to have to take off. I can see the rioting in the streets already by 20- and 30-somethings with their cell phones and laptops yelling, "heck no, we won't let go (of our ip's).

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Old 07-21-2001, 09:55 PM
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I'm not sure exactly what the Arin rules are
The ARIN rules require that use of IP numbers be justified in order for more to be allocated. When a provider requests a block, they must show how previous address allocations have been used and must provide details about their one-year growth projection.

Basically, as I understand it, the requirements to be allocated a new block are a 25% immediate utilization rate of that block, and a 50% utilization rate within one year. But there are circumstances under which higher rates might be required.



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Old 07-23-2001, 01:42 PM
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At some point last year, ARIN was about to banned any new IP based virtual hosting and start promoting name based virtual hosting. But with the effort of some webhosting companies, they've put that motion on hold for indefinite time.

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Old 07-23-2001, 02:59 PM
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http://www.arin.net/announcements/webhosting.html

The policy about namebased hosting was suspended. Please keep up with policy.

http://www.arin.net/announcements/webhosting.html

All you have to do is "Technically Justify" the use of the IP. For example, you used the IP for a SSL based site.

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Old 07-23-2001, 04:18 PM
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I never read the policy, just the part about ips was listed on some dedicated server site.

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Old 07-24-2001, 07:20 PM
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Yes, most NOC will ask you to justify your IP's. If an account doesn't require an IP it's a waste to give them one. What do you really need an IP for if all you're going to do is to host a basic static site without SSL? Most NOC will need an allocation and justification for any IP's that you specify.

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Old 07-25-2001, 03:47 AM
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Isn't the ARIN try to be strict about the IP usage because there is an IP shortage?

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Old 07-25-2001, 02:51 PM
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We have a /19 (16 class C's) from Arin directly at the moment, have done since end of last year and we definetly offer unique IPs on our virtual hosting products, we also offer our dedicated server clients unlimited IPs based on justified usage.

This is important for them, as they wish to offer their customers a unique IP.

I would also comment, that any host big enough to need at least a /19 (or think they will do within a year) should go ahead and apply to arin, it gives you a huge amount more freedom when picking your provider (or moving provider, as in our case) and also looks much more professional from the educated hosting buyers point of view.

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Old 07-25-2001, 03:49 PM
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mutli-homed

You are at least multi-homed. I do not have this yet as I can not justify the costs of setting up the routers and connections with few or no customers. I will later when business gets going.


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We have a /19 (16 class C's) from Arin directly at the moment, have done since end of last year and we definetly offer unique IPs on our virtual hosting products, we also offer our dedicated server clients unlimited IPs based on justified usage.

This is important for them, as they wish to offer their customers a unique IP.

I would also comment, that any host big enough to need at least a /19 (or think they will do within a year) should go ahead and apply to arin, it gives you a huge amount more freedom when picking your provider (or moving provider, as in our case) and also looks much more professional from the educated hosting buyers point of view.

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Old 07-25-2001, 03:50 PM
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I totally agree with that, but then the cost to get those IPs from Arin is also high.

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