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    Host + good email "policy". Need to mail 25K people once!

    Hi ho!
    I have a problem. I have a old list with over 25 000 people I have been in touch with since around 1990 until now.
    I need a new host and mail.... Are there anyone out there that offer some "goodwill" on mailing service ?
    I will have tons of bounce back and some people will not even remember we have been in touch which could result in spam report.
    Still I don't want to pay a fortune cause this will only be a one time email telling people I changed my email.
    Still cheap hosts seems to have zero spam policy which probably will shut down my account ?!
    Could anyone point me how I could get this to work =) Or where to go with new host and mail ?
    Thanks in advance!

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    Even if the purpose of the emails is legitimate, 25000 is quite large.

    I recall seeing a limit on the number of emails that can be sent out by account every hour in WHM. If the webhost were to change this limit it would affect all accounts on the server. Changing the hourly limit for a single domain would require a bit more work. Otherwise maybe you could try sending X amount of emails every hour?

    Otherwise a VPS might be the solution.
    Last edited by Yaroslav1234; 05-29-2016 at 01:08 PM.

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    Yaroslav1234 thanks for your replay.
    I know everyone got limites for mails per hour and I'm ok with that but the problem is that some hosts seems to close down your account after like "2 spam reports" and that could easy happen for me (I guess) =/

    On a VPS I could do whatever I want when pumping out emails ? Just that a VPS for a one time email feel kind of too much but maybe this is my only choice ?!

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    A VPS might take care of the "technical" barrier (hourly email limits) or the possible spike in system resources on a shared host.

    I googled "vps spam policy" to see if there are any other barriers (on a VPS provider)...some would like to have a written explanation from the client showing conformance with their TOS. Better to double check with their sales team if there are any pre-conditions you need to fulfill prior to ordering.

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    Why not just used some of the mail providers like Mailchimp, Mandrill or AWeber?

    Generally if you collected your list in legitimate way, you should have no problem using one of those services.

    If you want to save money, I would recommend to look at AWS SES service, they have pretty good rates. There is also great product called https://sendy.co/ - it's a self hosted product and I personally use it whith much larger user base than you have.

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    What you are trying to do is beyond the scope of a typical web hosting. You need a separate service to send emails. Even if you go with a VPS/Dedi route, you may face trouble if your IPs got reported.

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    We recommend to send these with mailjet, it's free and it should resolve the spam issue.

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    As some have posted above you are going to have to go with a company that specializes in sending bulk email.

    No host will allow what you want to do.

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    Any webhost that monitors how much mail is sent will catch on to the bounce backs and quantity of mail you are sending. So, you're not going to find a host that will allow you to send mail to that many emails and risk their IPs getting blacklisted. Go with a service that specializes in that field.
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    Why not use something like Mailchimp which is designed for what you are trying to do.
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    +1 on the dedicated mail lout service. Do not do this from your webhosting. Just find a mail out service that allows monthly payments and send the lot out for probably less than $50.

    I know inMotion allow you to apply to raise your sending limit for one time exceptions from the user area, and I'd imagine many other hosts would make exceptions if you ask/pay, but that is a large mail out by any standards, and as others have said it's just not worth getting a blacklisted IP - what's the point in saving a few bucks if all future mails get sent to spam folders.

    Remember it's webhosting you're paying for, email is an add on. I actually recommend most people stop using their included email full stop and move to specialised, distributed email services like google apps, Microsoft outlook, or zoho.

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    You need to go hard way is you really want to get that. Contact various companies and ask them directly about that. Try to convince them and then most likely you will get that. I doubt is such kind of offering exists and all what you will get - will be the result of agreement between you and your hosting provider.
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    Most web hosting companies are not going to let you do that on shared hosting. Shared hosting with cPanel in 95% of cases has a max emails per hour limit. This limit exists to stop spammers, but it can also stop legitimate email operations. Also, many web hosts may doubt the legitimacy of your email list.

    My recommendation is to get a VPS, make sure the IP addresses are clean, and to make sure that your web host is okay with you sending out emails. Do not be surprised if they want proof of the legitimacy of your email operation or email list. I am sure you could find something affordable but that still meets your needs.
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    I agree with either:
    A) Get a VPS and make the intention very clear to the Host ahead of time.
    B) Get an "Email Marketing" plan specifically designed to send mass emails. If there is a limit (say 50,000), just get 5 accounts to handle your 250,000 number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaroslav1234 View Post
    Changing the hourly limit for a single domain would require a bit more work.
    This is actually fairly easy to do on a cPanel server, not much work at all. However sending 25k worth of emails via any shared web hosting account is going to prove problematic and will almost certainly result in some type of suspension.

    @ OP, just make sure you include an option for the person recieving the email to unsubscribe, along with removing any bounced emails from your List. Your only real option here is going to be going with a more dedicated solution (ex: VPS), however to be on the safe side, I would still contact the webhost ahead of time to let them know how you intend to use the email service.
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    A cheap VPS should be able to do the trick, there are tones of VPS sellers on this forum, have a look around you will surely find something that meets your needs.

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    https://sendgrid.com/
    http://mandrill.com/
    http://www.socketlabs.com/

    IMHO you should use a service like one of the listed above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDVB View Post
    https://sendgrid.com/
    http://mandrill.com/
    http://www.socketlabs.com/

    IMHO you should use a service like one of the listed above.
    Agreed, unless you have the technical knowledge go with these services, Ive worked with sendgrid and they are pretty good.
    I would still recommend VPS if you can take advantage of it by using it for other purposes but if you cant and you only want to send emails, those services are perfect.

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    A good portion of that list will bounce and like you said, some won't even remember you. @MikeDVB had the best recommendation. I don't know about Mailchimp, but Constant Contact would drop you quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSteve View Post
    A good portion of that list will bounce and like you said, some won't even remember you. @MikeDVB had the best recommendation. I don't know about Mailchimp, but Constant Contact would drop you quick.
    I highly doubt any mailing list provider would allow the OP to upload their list of 25,000 recipients without some sort of proof of double-opt-in or something similar.

    Transactional email is what the OP would be after but if a large portion of the messages sent bounce / fail / report spam any quality mail provider will give you the boot.

    I just didn't want to be the bearer of bad news - it seems there are plenty of those in this thread already .
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    Even if you have a VPS or dedicated server, 25,000 emails at once is very taxing and could cause downtime. A VPS is still housed with others and you could be kicked off the node for causing issues.

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