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  1. #1
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    * Pay Pal is looking Better!

    PayPal is looking pretty good now.

    I know, I know, it's Pay Pal but have you looked at their new features lately and their rates are hard to beat.

    They now have a shopping cart feature .. Just put a button on your site and the cart pops up in a window and shows the item(s) and totals. Best of all, PayPal's Shopping Cart is free.

    Another new feature is the recurring billing or Subscriptions! No need to keep entering users data or sending a bill, it's all automatically done now, even has trial periods if you need them.

    As far as the users are concerned, it's just like any other CC payment process on the Internet. It's even better if you already have an account with them, saves lot's of time.

    Costs ..

    We get charged 2.2% + 30¢ not bad .. No costly monthly merchant account fees, no gateway fees, no statement fees, no monthly charges!

    Premier or Business
    Standard Rate

    2.9% + 30¢

    Premier or Business
    Merchant Rate

    2.2% + 30¢


    We currently have a Merchant account with Signio Gateway and are looking at this seriously, it will save us a bundle each month in fees. We have had the PayPal account ever since they started business accounts but haven't used it because it just wasn't a serious payment method for many reasons. Our outlook on them has changed now, they are looking much much better!

    As far as International orders are concerned, I see that they offer transactions for quite a few countries, not sure who is left out but looks to be a pretty good listing anyways.

    Anyone using them have any thoughts?

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    They still don't support Malaysia!

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    Originally posted by zbco
    They still don't support Malaysia!
    I know, it's always something isn't it.

    I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly but it seems that if your in the US you can accept payment from any country? It's the other way around that is the problem, is this correct?




    Anguilla
    Antigua
    Argentina
    Australia*
    Austria
    Belgium
    Belize
    Brazil
    Canada*
    China
    Costa Rica
    Curacao
    Denmark
    Dominica
    Dominican Republic
    Finland
    France*
    Germany*
    Greece
    Grenada
    Hong Kong
    Iceland
    India
    Ireland
    Israel
    Italy
    Jamaica
    Japan
    Luxembourg
    Mexico
    Netherlands*
    New Zealand*
    Nicaragua
    Norway
    Portugal
    Singapore
    South Africa
    South Korea
    Spain
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    United Kingdom

    * PayPal accepts withdrawals to local bank accounts in these countries. Users in any country may withdraw funds to a U.S. bank account.
    Last edited by Brad; 07-12-2001 at 02:53 AM.

  4. #4
    If your users still need to signup with them, I won't use it.

  5. #5
    How much do you currently get charged a month? If it's around $25... then it's worth it to have a real merchant account.

  6. #6
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    Originally posted by Get-Hosted.com
    If your users still need to signup with them, I won't use it.
    If they sign up through you, you'll get $5 ;D
    (SH)Saeed

  7. #7
    After they meet a lot of requirements, one of them having $250 in PayPal account.

  8. #8
    Originally posted by zbco
    They still don't support Malaysia!
    They dont support thailand too

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    The cart looks good but I wouldn't count on that cart feature being free for too long. PP has a long history of hooking users with free services that initiating fees after they build a large base of users.

    Probably a good business model, but just be aware.
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    Hey people, i love paypal, im in the UK accepting payments from the USA, its GREAT, maybe they rob you a little, but hey its not that bad for the once a month i will actually use it.
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    Here's that list to get $5 for referring someone:

    Signs up for PayPal
    Confirms their email address
    Confirms a checking account
    Adds $250 or more by electronic funds transfer into their PayPal account
    Signs up for a Money Market Fund

    Not too likely.

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    Originally posted by Get-Hosted.com
    Here's that list to get $5 for referring someone:

    Signs up for PayPal
    Confirms their email address
    Confirms a checking account
    Adds $250 or more by electronic funds transfer into their PayPal account
    Signs up for a Money Market Fund

    Not too likely.
    Indeed it isn't. This is another good example of a recent change. It used to be that ALL people who registered got you $5. Now, it's nearly impossible. They got lots of ppl to advertise for them though....

  13. #13
    Yep... I remember way back when you would get $5 the minute they signed up and entered a CC.

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    Originally posted by Get-Hosted.com
    Yep... I remember way back when you would get $5 the minute they signed up and entered a CC.
    I didn't even have to enter my CC. I got the $5 when I signed up.
    (SH)Saeed

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    Yes, you do as a new client. The person who refers you used to as well.

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    Since many customers still think you get $5 when they just sign-up, to add insult to injury, some will say "You're making $5 from me already so I'm going to send you $5 less in payment!" (or words to that effect).
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    Originally posted by Get-Hosted.com
    Yep... I remember way back when you would get $5 the minute they signed up and entered a CC.
    Heck, I remember when you got $10 for a referral when they signed up and entered a CC _and_ they got $10 too. That's the way it started.

    Then they reduced to $5 each.

    Then they reduced to just $5 for the referrer.

    Then they reduced to $5 for the referrer, but the referral has to jump through 14 hoops and pay them in gold first.

    I wish they would just take that stupid promotion away as it is very misleading and causes more problems than it is worth.

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    Cool Hi,

    Thank you for your comments on the subscription service. Please let me know if there are any product changes/needs for this service, as we would like to support the demands of our users.
    Damon
    PayPal Consumer Relations

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    what is needed for PayPal to make a new country availabe for service ?

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    Cool Hi Supersim,

    They will generally look at a variety of factors that I am not in touch with (country fraud rates, partnerships in the area,etc.) I can, however, report the demand, which can get the ball rolling.
    Damon
    PayPal Consumer Relations

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    Re: Hi Supersim,

    Originally posted by paypaldamon
    They will generally look at a variety of factors that I am not in touch with (country fraud rates, partnerships in the area,etc.) I can, however, report the demand, which can get the ball rolling.
    But do you need some representation or offices in that country or just decide that you will accept members from that country?

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    Originally posted by erain
    Originally posted by zbco

    They still don't support Malaysia!



    They dont support thailand too

    They don't support the Philippines, either, and I've been waiting for years (although on one end, it's good they have already put in Singapore, but I don't wanna go to back to Singapore just to get my money 'cause I'd pay more for air fare!!!)
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  23. #23
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    Cool Hi,

    It pretty much depends on whether the country can be approved for service. Credit card fraud rates are a huge determining factor, as well as potential partnerships.

    As an FYI...I do have some PayPal t-shirts if anyone wants one. I would need a size and street address.
    Damon
    PayPal Consumer Relations

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    I just logged in and setup me for a debit card I think this will be pretty cool, now I got two debit cards.

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    Yeah I have had my card a few weeks now but I am scared to keep alot of cash in there because of some of the stories I have read here and on other sites...
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  26. #26
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    Another feature is "Instant Payment Notification," where PayPal will POST transaction data to a script on your site whenever one occurs.. allowing you to integrate auto signups with it.

    I might just put that into whm_script...


    Andrew

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    I will never use pay pal! I used them before, over a year ago and someone alleged a supposvly false fradulent activity against someone who sent me money. and because that person sent me money they want me to pay 500 for it. the other person cant prove they received it because it is a service, but in pay pals' tos it says services cant have chargebacks like this. go figure. there was no complaint on me but because a person sent me money my account was frozen and they want me to pay that money to them.

  28. #28
    if you dont want to get a merchant account then use a service like ibill.com

  29. #29
    Hi,
    When will PayPal accept American Express?

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  30. #30
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    Hi Hobbygal,

    Amex is still being looked at, but I do know that there is a person assigned to striking up the business issues. I would hope to see it shortly.
    Damon
    PayPal Consumer Relations

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    Cool Hi multipleimage,

    Chargebacks are a fact of life when accepting credit card payments. Our Seller Protection Program does help with physical goods, but chargeback liability (to the best of my knowledge) is present with all companies processing credit card payments.
    Damon
    PayPal Consumer Relations

  32. #32
    that is not a chargeback. a chargeback is if the customer who's credit card was used was stolen lost. that is not the case here. the customer never initiated it. in fact she has proof that it was done in error anyway. she has tried contracting pay pal and they say the same thing over again, and she does and then they send the same thing.

    do not try to confuse the facts. i have been dealing w/ merchant accounts for years with differnt companies. we were letting customers pay w/ paypal just in case they dont have a cc and was using a checking account. that was the case and pay pal cant keep that straight.

    i can see why a lot of sites that accepted pay pal are not accepting it anymore

    and they have the horror stories to go with it.

  33. #33
    one other problem with pay pal. they break there own agreements.

  34. #34
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    Hi multipleimage,

    I would need the account records in order to investigate the issue.

    Reversals are placed if:

    1. We notice a potentially fraudulent pattern of activity.
    2. The credit card company notifies us of a chargeback/fraud issue.
    3. A bank notifies us of a problem with a payment.
    4. Customer notifies us of an issue.

    This case sounds odd, which would require additional information to support it.
    Damon
    PayPal Consumer Relations

  35. #35
    what is your e-mail address? i will send you the information. the part that seems odd to me is it wasnt a customer of mine who had a problem but it was a customer of a customer of mine.

  36. #36
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    Hi multipleimage,

    You can PM or send an email ([email protected]) with the information.

    Thanks!
    Damon
    PayPal Consumer Relations

  37. #37
    i sent you an e-mail

  38. #38
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    Hi multipleimage,

    Got it. I am checking on this issue now.
    Damon
    PayPal Consumer Relations

  39. #39
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    PayPal

    I think there were two very valid suggestions for PayPal.

    1. Get rid of the $5.00 bonus (Lurker)

    2. Keep the shopping cart as a freebie. It is an excellent compliment to PayPal (Jaiem).

    PayPal and similar services are the best alternatives to a merchant account for small businesses.

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    Originally posted by skysenshi


    They dont support thailand too

    They don't support the Philippines, either, and I've been waiting for years (although on one end, it's good they have already put in Singapore, but I don't wanna go to back to Singapore just to get my money 'cause I'd pay more for air fare!!!)
    [/QUOTE]

    Singapore? yes they support Singapore but it's kind of making me MAD! , i have a few incoming payments and when i tried to accept it... i was asked for my US Bank AC!? Then i realise that i could only accept payment if a had a US Bank AC, and where can i get one since i'm from a far far away country, and i don't want deposit a fixed 10K just for recieve some convinence small payments via PayPal..

    In conculsion, they do support Singapore (as well as other international countries), but as in Sign-up and making payments, not recieving money from others. No wonder they call themselves PAYpal...

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