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02-09-2015, 12:18 PM #76
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02-09-2015, 12:55 PM #78Web Hosting Master
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Ask Bear and a few of the mods. I've had to sit in the corner a few times. 2015....no corner...I'm a big kid now!!!
Yes...and in some cases you've had to close those threads. Other times, you mentioned that "they" weren't breaking any rules....which then makes the rules be questioned. Rules, ByLaws, and polices are always changing. Hosts never mentioned Minecraft in their TOS years ago but have to now.
Were cool. It's all opinions.
But that's exactly it. I know Memberships are not above the rules. If fact they have more rules.
Also look at it this way;
After signing up to WHT and creating 10 posts, someone could then start advertising. The 10 posts could have been complete fluff. The 10 posts now means they are a "valid" host.
After those 10 posts..the same person could easily buy a membership. This now also means their "valid" host.
How is a host valid after 10 posts and a couple days of being a member?
Perfect example. Some people will work and buy studio equipment. Could take a few years...but along those years they're practicing to use the equipment. Years later....they open a studio and make money and get referrals because they know what they're doing.
Someone else...their parents invested in them and built a studio with all the equipment during one weekend. Did they know how to use any of the stuff...no. Clients couldn't work with them. They still had to hire a trained engineer to come in and work with the equipment
Throwing a kid $1000 to buy a membership is not a lot of money. I could do it for my children, but I wouldn't. I would make sure my children are trained in what I'm buying into since it should show them how to generate an honest income....and not just throwing money to make them happy.
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02-09-2015, 03:02 PM #79
If you disagree with the assessment even after hearing from us, please do point out there what about the rule needs changing. To some degree members shape the community, and we will always listen to that.
The 10 posts could have been complete fluff.
After those 10 posts..the same person could easily buy a membership. This now also means their "valid" host.
How is a host valid after 10 posts and a couple days of being a member?Your one stop shop for decentralization
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02-09-2015, 05:22 PM #80Web Hosting Master
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True...but sometimes they leave a footprint. Others might have seen my "newness" when I first came on here, but I still had previous business knowledge to back it up. Business is business, no matter the end product. Others, they will leave a trail of breadcrumbs within the site with questions as "what are these functions" to "what to name my company". Put it this way....if someone just signed up for WHMCS last week, and customers cannot reach the host due to a misconfiguration in their WHMCS...they haven't been around to long
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02-09-2015, 05:56 PM #81Poooooonnyyy :*
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Honestly I think the best way to make the corp/prem stuff worth it for advertising would be to make it so freebies can only post once every 2 weeks or once a month digitalpoint style.
Sure, there's people that 'wont post anymore' because of it, but they weren't really contributing anything to the community itself. Many of them only reply to threads to display a sig and many times they'll necro old threads with pointless replies.
Doing this would give the corporate members an immediate 'worth' since they don't have to compete for the same floor space as the company doing $1/year cPanel and won't be here next month.
It's not really nice to them, but it isn't very nice for us to have to pay a hiked price for a completely flooded section. Lets be real here, no ones going to pay $1000+/year just for alerts. People pay for it for the speed of posting, nothing more. The extras are nice but the only reason anyone is going to demand them now is because the owners are trying to justify a price hike for it.
Pins appear worthless at this point as they get minimal views. You'll see pins in the VPS section that only get a thousand or two views in over 2 weeks. There's no promise that they're getting better leads than someones post going back a week or so that's also getting the same amount of views.
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02-09-2015, 06:03 PM #82Retired Moderator
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02-09-2015, 06:18 PM #83BLAZINGSWITCH | sales /@/ blazingswitch.com
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02-09-2015, 06:21 PM #84Poooooonnyyy :*
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Yep.
Corps would have to cut back from 3 to maybe 4 days due to the lower posting volume, and premium's would have to go to 10 - 14 days, it'd still be a very large net positive for premium+ members.
If you left premiums at 7 days there's no real reason to bump your membership more. Why pay $1000+ extra for the ability to only post twice as often? The amount of available floor space is massive and it'd still be better off with it.
Premium's to 10 days I think would work, corps to 4 - 5 days.
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02-09-2015, 06:46 PM #85
I would disagree in terms of the value of posting more frequently. There are numerous reasons to want to post more frequently, even into a "flooded category", or even if the category no longer becomes flooded. Even if everyone else was set to a 2 week timer, I would still pay $1400 / year to post every 3 days if that was still an option. Heck, I would gladly pay $3000 per year right now today if it meant I could post every 1 or 2 days instead of every 3 days. It's way cheaper than any of the other advertising options on WHT. People are paying $4000 / month to get a sticky post in some sub forums. Are those people crazy? It all depends on the customer lifetime value. One customer may keep a server for 12 months. If that server costs $150 / mo, that's $1800 in revenue. A lot of hosts have idle inventory so that extra sale may well go straight to the bottom line. It doesn't take many sales to make the $4000 / mo sticky make sense, let alone the far more affordable corporate membership. If you're not getting an extra 1 sale a year from posting every 3 days instead of every 7 days, maybe you should do everyone a favor and stop advertising on WHT because it's obviously not working for you.
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02-09-2015, 07:06 PM #87Poooooonnyyy :*
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For us WHT still works, but I shouldn't have to be pulling charts out to find out when i'm going to get bumped multiple pages in a single day.
I just feel that the corporate members aren't being given what they actually want. They're being forced to pay more for a membership many already question, & you now have to fight for frontpage section space against people that we all know won't make it.
You said it yourself, you're only interested in more frequent posting windows, not features.
Speaking of features, we never ever heard anything more on the 'company accounts'. There was an email we were supposed to hit to get it setup but it fell on deaf ears. Is this price bump to pay for a feature thats been promised for a while and even had the signup process in place?
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02-09-2015, 07:28 PM #88
I agree, company accounts is the only feature other than increased posting frequency that I would actually pay for. It would be nice for my staff to be able to post on behalf of my company without having to worry that years down the line when they work for a competitor all these posts and ads etc will now have my competitors Sig line attached to them.
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02-09-2015, 08:33 PM #90Web Hosting Master
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All a part of the 10 post count plan.
So many times I'll see a thread alert of someone posting "great advice"..."well said"...."the cereal split on the server and it feels cold ". Then when I go to the thread...it's from 3-4 years ago. I've unsubscribed from old threads for that reason.
Then the other classic scenario...once they're able to advertise....that's all they do. Look up their history...all ads and no contributions to any conversations. It's even worse when people are complaining about them and they just keep posting ads....never going in the thread to address the issue, or in some cases, going in the thread and ...................
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I know some must hate my music references, but community radio (and some commercial stations) are somewhat the same. You can pay for ads, or you can go to the radio station and do some free promo. Difference....paid ads will run frequently whereas you can only drop by the station for free promo every few months.
If a business is doing well, they won't be dependent on posting ads every week.
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02-09-2015, 08:36 PM #91Web Hosting Master
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02-10-2015, 06:14 AM #93Web Hosting Evangelist
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Perhaps the price increase should also include WHT actually making the effort to properly verify a "corporate" member in that some DD is carried out to give additional comfort to those who want to buy from them.
Premium and Corporate badges give a false sense of "These people must be ok to buy from". Well it used to at least.
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02-10-2015, 05:08 PM #95Poooooonnyyy :*
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02-10-2015, 05:47 PM #96Your one stop shop for decentralization
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02-10-2015, 06:19 PM #97Poooooonnyyy :*
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Might be best to add a note or a (?) next to the membership buttons that links off explaining that the badge isn't an endorsement by the staff of WHT, but rather simply grants them additional perks
Auditing every provider, while the best course of action, would require a lot more staff that I doubt the owners want to bring on. Plus, there's the liability that WHT "approved them as a good host", etc. It's obviously not uncommon for old hosts to go tits up - Burstnet & that one leaseweb reseller come to mind.
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Well you get those folks in the office to work out what DD would be required to hold a corporate badge. Perhaps those that go through a process will get a different coloured "verified" corporate badge, same for premium.
That could be for example that you pay the office $50 and hand over all your company documents and personal details for directors. The aim is to confirm the company is legit, pays taxes, the people are real, linked to the company and checked out, yada yada.
It may take on a different form, I have not really thought it through, I just come up with the ideas, WHT makes enough money to figure it through.
It's not an endorsement, just a checklist to confirm to the prospective client that the house is in order as best as can be identified. Only the genuine ones will want to do it.
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02-10-2015, 06:33 PM #99Poooooonnyyy :*
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02-10-2015, 06:40 PM #100
I'd guess that would be seen by the folks that purchase these (good and bad) as a slap in the face (thanks for your purchase, let's just make sure no one trusts you more because of it). It's clear the badges are a paid service, by virtue of simply reading the page that sells them (linked to from every badge). All paid membership shows is that they either wish to "give back" to the forum for their success from it, or they want the extra perks. Though it's possibly looked on as they're "more trustworthy" as a result, it's in no way implied as part of it.
I do get that it generates that feeling to some, though.
While I'm sure they'd be happy to discuss additional fees, I'm just as sure that's a lot more than $50 work, records keeping and additional liability.Your one stop shop for decentralization
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