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02-05-2015, 10:31 AM #51Dennis Johnson
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There is no best membership. There is only the membership that's best for you.
Sorry - My signature is entwined with everything in my head regarding hosting.
If you read this thread or others scattered about the forums, you'll see members who find great value in Corporate membership and members who (whether they've tried it or not) don't agree.
You can't just purchase membership and expect it to do the work for you. As funkywizard pointed out, "to make effective use of a given channel, you need to put the time in to know how to take advantage of it properly".
Of course, I'm just another member who has never used the product in question. I can only go on the feedback I've read and heard from paid membership users.There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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02-05-2015, 02:25 PM #52Banner Designer
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The 20% price increase does seem quite high in one go, but since the service hasn't increased in price since launching in 2008, it looks like it works out to about a 2.8% increase year-on-year over the past 7 years.
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02-05-2015, 02:26 PM #53Web Hosting Master
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02-05-2015, 02:56 PM #54Banner Designer
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02-05-2015, 08:10 PM #55Web Hosting Master
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Yes that is why i asked, for me Premium Member work best and i plan to upgrade for more better result, right now i try to look what benefit i get after upgrade,
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02-06-2015, 06:33 AM #56Web Hosting Master
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Speaking as a former corporate member the membership is effective and probably undervalued - The only problem with the cost is the perks the free members get make it harder for them to post its an absolutely disgusting place the advertisers area - and start collecting more information from advertisements allow your users to narrow down threads for gods sake to find the most suitable whatever they are after.
And reduce the post frequency for free and premium members isn't a shiny badge enough for a premium member anyway.Automated, Secure & Low Cost cPanel Backups (on the cloud)
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02-06-2015, 07:48 AM #57
I agree. Perhaps change free members from 7 to 14 days and premium from 6 to 7 days, and leave corporate as is. It would be nice if the upgrade option for highlighting a thread was made free for corporate too, giving corporate members a bit more visibility over others.
Right now corporate members have nothing that distinguishes their threads from those paying nothing or $50/yr for premium.
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02-06-2015, 08:31 AM #58Web Hosting Master
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I think this is a great idea of how to increase the value of the corporate membership. This would slow down the number of posts in the advertising section in a big way. Maybe instead of the highlighting, there would be some way to incorporate a corporate badge into the listing.
I feel if they did something like this, they would get a lot more corporate and premium members.
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02-06-2015, 09:23 AM #59Managed VPS Experts
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02-06-2015, 10:30 AM #60Dennis Johnson
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02-06-2015, 01:38 PM #61
It's a zero sum game. If corp members can post frequently AND get free highlighting, then all the threads will look highlighted and the whole sales forum will just look irritating. The highlighting is valuable because it helps you stand out, and if everyone looks that way, you won't. Judging from the forum, it looks like a decent number of people are paying for that upgrade, so if you don't want to pay the "ridiculous" price for highlighting, then don't.
edit: although perhaps there could be *something* that distinguishes corp from regular posts, even if it wasn't the current methods of highlighting that people pay for.IOFLOOD.com -- We Love Servers
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02-06-2015, 01:43 PM #62Web Hosting Master
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02-06-2015, 03:53 PM #64Retired Moderator
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Several similar comments that stop short of suggesting what could be included and would make the investment worthwhile. (ignoring the free highlights comment)
Only the existing, former and potential corp members can really answer this question so .. What could be included that makes the investment worthwhile?
I'm far from being able to promise it'll happen, but without knowing what you'd like then we have nothing to propose on your behalf
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02-06-2015, 05:03 PM #65
Perhaps a corporate member directory? Basically a list of hosts by category, who must be a corp member to get listed. The corp member would be required to list the major types of services they provide (vps, shared, dedicated, colo, etc), and can submit a description of their company, link to company website, and other contact details, for approval. WHT staff would not be responsible for populating the directory except to approve or reject submissions made by corporate members.
I know in the past a directory is an idea that's been kicked around, and probably the time investment vs the value of it didn't make sense, but perhaps if it was corporate only, it would 1) be less effort to maintain, and 2) maybe it would encourage more corporate memberships and therefore lead to more revenues.IOFLOOD.com -- We Love Servers
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02-07-2015, 07:59 PM #66Web Hosting Master
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It's a forum, so jacking up the prices and trying to introduce "new" features to justify it is going to be hard. As others have mentioned, the "features" that corporate members currently are supposed to get are pretty much worthless. The discounted advertising is non-existent, the ad forums are already inundated, and the results of any money spent advertising on WHT has done one thing consistently: go down, year after year. This place used to be a great source of potential customers, now it's just a thrift market overrun by kiddie hosts and those looking for hosting for next to nothing, for the most part.
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02-07-2015, 09:46 PM #70Web Hosting Master
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02-09-2015, 11:25 AM #71Web Hosting Master
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Sadly that is how the world is. Customers or end-users are always going to complaint....not realizing the resources cost more...thus the increase. If the top increases, everything below has to follow.
The only unfortunate thing is hearing the complaints from reputable members. If members look up to certain individuals, and those individuals are complaining...........................
My usual music reference. In Toronto, there's a few festivals during the summer months. Two of them...I can't even explain. Here's the breakdown (had to go back and check my notes);
Festival Downtown, a table that weekend, $100 for a small business, $400 for a medium business, access to millions of people that weekend. I performed at one of them and the business it generated afterwards....well worth it.
East-end festival, a table for the weekend, $1300 for any size business, access to a few thousands....very few thousands.
The East-end model is a desperation move. Either to weed out people with common sense, or to generate profit from very low numbers.
Speaking of desperation moves.......and it's one of those silent issues that I guess people on here are afraid to talk about....con-artists with corporate memberships.
When someone has a corporate membership that bring no form of benefits to the community, it make the membership look like garbage...to the community and to the visitors.
Sorry, another music reference. As fun as music looks, the music and fun is 10% of it. 90% is all business. There are organizations that state that an artist/musician/label must be in business for at least 2 years and know what they're doing (recordings, shows, publicity, etc). It puts the brakes on people who think their artists...which those people always fail.....always....and if someone does "get around the rules"...if caught, memberships and resources are revoked. Part of the reason I don't miss that industry (although I do with the policies it had)...now...someone is famous from their bedroom via youtube. They have no clue about anything. Recording in a studio where time is money, hitting the pavement to promote, interviews, dealing with humans, potential fans....all lost. Hmmmm...sounds like a certain host. No customer service skills....no technical skills....nothing. Remember....many musicians had jobs while doing music. Those jobs were building life skills like working and dealing with people. They're humble at their job since they know acting a fool would get them fired which would lead to no food, a place to live or money for their music....and their humble to their fans....of course until they get a break and make millions.....but there are those that even with a boat load of money will still walk around and hang out and chat with anyone.....humble...and always respected.
To sum up my rant. Raising the membership could be a good move. Weed out the nonsense. Stop giving memberships to people who don't deserve it, OR revoke it with a refund....which is being nice since most places would never give a refund for breaking the rules. Refunding $1000+ to someone isn't going to break the organization. It just won't.
The complaint about features and price are just the surface. If people behind a membership are reputable, and someone else with the same membership is a train-wreck bringing down the value of being here...why would anyone buy a membership after the price increase. Other forums have cleaned up the mess.
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02-09-2015, 11:36 AM #72
So what you're saying, although I think is a weak point, would be that raising the prices will eliminate some of the kiddie hosts from being able to clutter up the B&S with their .50ct hosting offers every few days? Essentially you are paying more to pay staff, as we know the hosting bill is not going up, for the benefit of less perceived competition?
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02-09-2015, 11:54 AM #73Web Hosting Master
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Essentially yes...and I think your response is sarcastic (in a a good way) so don't take it the wrong way if I'm not reading it correctly I know there's many sides to the fence and no perfect solution, but as someone pointed out in another thread...there's no policing in this industry. I've seen companies charge $85 a year for a .com domain just because they can. My point almost invalidates my point, but why do you think overall it's a weak point?
Certain memberships are laughed at, and others actually do a good job of weeding out idiots. A membership doesn't have to be some form of elites status, but it does (or should) separate those that know what they're doing. If you owned a home and had a family and needed work done to that home, you would probably hire someone trained and certified. Of course we all have a cousin that can do it on the side, but certain jobs needs a skilled person or team...and that skill comes with being a member in some form of organization....that validates the person has the skills and training to perform the job.
Even within all of this, it still doesn't address the customer service issue. Someone with a corporate membership should not be allowed to berated customers on a public forum. Essentially this means a corporate membership has less rules. When members go after each other, all sorts of infractions show up..but yet a corporate member could do the same and be bullet proof?!?!?!? If one did this at a job they would be fired, but because one never had a job, that skill has not be learned....thus they have no idea how to deal with customers. Those same customers now look at the host as an idiot, but also look at WHT as being idiots for allowing this to occur. At that point, why would they trust anyone with a corporate membership?Last edited by WPCYCLE; 02-09-2015 at 11:58 AM.
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02-09-2015, 11:58 AM #74
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02-09-2015, 12:01 PM #75
I have never seen this happen. Heated exchanges, sure.
That being said, I think the corporate member is typically an established hosting business, not some kid purchasing a $5.00 hosting plan and wanting butler service.
My point is, if some no name with less than a 100 posts is bashing some ISP over their reading comprehension of laws and AUP, then the benefit of the doubt is given to the ISP which has nothing to do with membership. It has to do with some level of common sense. Again, this is not bashing you, but membership of any kind of not some sort of "BRO club" where they are above the rules.BLAZINGSWITCH | sales /@/ blazingswitch.com
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