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    Net Neutrality ?

    This FCC, Net Neutrality bill will change the Internet as we created it. I am one of the worlds foremost experts on high capacity IP inter connectivity in terms of technology/politics/business. This bill is WRONG. The name it’self is intentionally misleading to fool people. It is NON-Neutrality! Regulating Internet traffic crushes innovation and a law that allows the differentiation in the treatment of packets by last mile MSO/Ilec providers (GOVT Monopolies) like Comcast, Verizon, Cox,, etc does and will promote content blockage. As the creators and administrators of the Internet, The US Government who already sniffs every packet they can Should not impose any restrictions on internet communication in any way unless it is criminal.

    Every packet on the internet is a blip of light/energy. It starts in your brain as a thought to request a piece of knowledge and that signal goes down your nervous system to your fingers which tap a keyboard and that light blip/energy transponds seemingly endless devices, routers, Wifi-networks, RF towers, fiber, data centers, root servers, name servers, caching networks and content servers to deliver each packet decoded at your screen to your eyes as a blip of light/energy back to your brain….. all in milliseconds. .

    Interference in anyway with this by political interest, regulation, standards or international trade tariffs can and will turn the Internet from something Good into something Bad. Encourage governments to “Leave the Internet Alone” Stop this from happening.

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    Agree with you boss but the selfish nature of humans is the biggest problem yet to be solved.
    People will not do anything until it affects them directly or until it is too late and nothing is done.
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    I already started a thread here
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1375517

    The world is unfortunately now rules by giant corporations and not governments and the internet carriers among them decided that they want make more money from the internet without new investments by charging more and the huge internet corporations like the idea of competitors who don't have enough money to be competitive.

    And this legalized corruption called lobbying and party donations (aka citizens united) makes sure they get their wish. Get he money out of politics and never vote again for Democrats or Republicans. Unless people don't get this and act the USA will continue to fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by llothar View Post
    The world is unfortunately now rules by giant corporations and not governments ...
    With all due respect, I think you have it backwards. The FCC proposal in question regards government control, not corporations.

    Every case of non-neutrality -- I fully agree with @Circus that the name Net Neutrality is misleading, probably on purpose -- it is government impinging on the free flow of information. See the "Great Firewall of China," widespread restriction of YouTube, Twitter, et al, by governments afraid of free speech or otherwise wanting to control their citizens.

    While it is fashionable to rail against big business and the 1%, IMHO the real threat to a free and open Internet is government officials that believe they can make better decisions for me than can I.

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    I have spent enough time inside the labs of Comcast, Time Warner Cable, COX, Charter and Verizon to say that they already shape traffic based on it's origin and have been doing so for some time now. It is not legal today but this bill will make it legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edigest View Post
    With all due respect, I think you have it backwards. The FCC proposal in question regards government control, not corporations.

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    While it is fashionable to rail against big business and the 1%, IMHO the real threat to a free and open Internet is government officials that believe they can make better decisions for me than can I.
    <<snipped>>

    Governments are good and big socialist governments like Scandinavia are even better. All statistics are in favour of it, they are the #1 while USA is now #27 in the world. Or as nobel price winner Paul Krugman said: "If you want to live the american dream, go to Denmark"

    And yes, governments do not exist to make a better decision for you - the are there to make better decisions for everyone. This means that about 20% needs to be restricted and controlled in their doings. And yes European Union voted for Net Neutrality. We talk again when your Internet Costs are as out of proportion to the rest of the world as your healthcare costs are.
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    <<snipped>>

    Glad to know you're fine having bureaucrats make decisions for you. I'll take my chances running my own life.
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    How on earth can it be good for a government to restrict 20% of a countries Internet traffic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edigest View Post
    Every case of non-neutrality -- I fully agree with @Circus that the name Net Neutrality is misleading, probably on purpose
    Probably? Really?
    Like you just started noticing how laws are named in this country. Exactly opposite naming system has been in place since forever in this country. Remember. Patriot Act, Freedom Act? just on and on and it never ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by circus&back View Post
    How on earth can it be good for a government to restrict 20% of a countries Internet traffic?
    No we do not have to restrict 20% of the internet - we have to restrict the 20% of people who have stock options or other interest in this bill because they will make or at least believe they could make a unjustified profits out of it by ripping of the remaining 80%.

    But in this case it might be better to speak about 5% vs 95%.

    As others here said this is not a free market the carriers are monopolists and this will not change in the future, therefore they do not deserve the right of being unregulated.

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    I think we are saying the same thing llothar? We need to stop the people trying to pass this bill allowing "fast lanes" It's stopping regulation from being past if that is what you mean by we need regulation.

    It's as simple as the fact that their infrastructure costs keep going up and up to support people watching Internet video which is the very thing that is making their advertising revenue go down because subscribers are n watching less and less cable tv. Bad formula for cable companies- Spend more money to support your biggest revenue killer. Bad news for someone like Buzzfeed who is getting ready to roll out video.
    I guess bandwidth pricing will go back up a bit all round, peering agreements will be held tighter to ratios and slowdowns will occur all over. More finger pointing, market rates will destabilise, there will be a more discernible differentiation between network providers, the service they offer and their costs to customers. Content providers will be forced to deal directly with end user networks unless transit providers can "buy fast lanes" too even that would need to depend on who their customers are at any time.. It's a mess.
    Cable companies are already monopolies and this grants them the ability to force content providers all over the world to fork them over revenue directly. So now what? Content providers will have to negotiate directly with every cable operator directly for good service?

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    An interesting read on the issue with some history:

    http://www.precursorblog.com/?q=cont...t-order-series

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