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04-24-2003, 04:52 PM #1Web Hosting Master
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Spammers to sue spamblockers
Florida spammers to sue anti-spam groups
Oh, this could get interesting.
I don't think this argument worked when trying to go after gun manufacturers, did it? And either El Reg is sniffing gymsocks, or the antispammers don't really understand SPEWS and Spamhaus (wow, what a shocker there).☷ Lesli Schauf, TLM Network
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04-24-2003, 05:14 PM #2WHT Addict
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What a waste of money, time, and resources.
"If the Start Windows Restart when Windows starts check box is checked Windows Restart will start automatically every time Windows is started." - Actual excerpt from a windows program help file
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04-24-2003, 08:12 PM #3An Awesome Dude
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Oh wonderfull,
People cant invade others lifes,so they have to sue them over it,im sorry but what a crock of s**t!!!!
The Dude
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04-24-2003, 08:32 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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Well if certain large email providers cared about thier namesake these spammers could have quite a case against them too.. Even though the headers are usually forged putting thier name in to from/to/return address it still does not look good to the vast majority who don't know any better. But for some reason these large email providers don't seem to care..
Randall J. Berry
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04-24-2003, 08:43 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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Actually, spammers don't bother me at all. You see, my keyboard has a "delete" button on it.
I thank my Lord for all His wonderful blessings.
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04-24-2003, 09:28 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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Greetings:
"Actually, spammers don't bother me at all. You see, my keyboard has a "delete" button on it."
If only life is so simple :-)
1. There are people who still pay for dial up access, and some countries like the Netherlands have users that incur $ per minute.
So SPAM does cost those people money.
2. SPAM always costs people time. Time to download it, time to notice it is SPAM, time to delete it.
3. SPAM takes up server resources in terms of the mail server having to process junk. I've heard of some companies (mainly ISP's) having to purchase additional servers so they can process all of the mail that comes through their systems.
4. SPAM can be very offensive. One of our resellers has a client that is a convent. While some may smile, imagine the faces of nuns that get pornographic SPAM. That is not fair to them or to our client.
5. SPAM puts a big burden on employers. You may be aware of sexual harassment laws. Do you think it is any different for an employee to sue their employer for sexual harassment because they let a offensive poster put up by another employee stay vs. allowing obscene SPAM to end up in an employee’s mail box?
The list goes on.... unfortunately...
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04-24-2003, 10:24 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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Spam also put an unnessesary workload on YOUR server! Bottom line is they are causing load on the entire net for their usless garb.. If I want a service I will contact YOU. Don't call me, send me email or knock on my door unless I ask you too.. that's the way I think of it.
I'm honestly not for legislation to prevent spam even though if there were laws they'd still break them. Everyone knows once you give the Govt. an inch they take a mile but something has to be done. I get close to 100 emails a day. And it's really a shame that I should have to weed through all of it to see who's ligit and whos not. Yes there are spam filters but what about those who have a ligitimate reason to contact me but their email was filtered and resembled spam, or someone took it apon themself to spoil a network by sending spam through it so their IP/hostname/etc. is found to be on the list of DB's so it was tossed. Is that fair to that person?
Sure the delete key works.. But the problem is we're all paying for it one way or another and they are allowed to abuse the network for pennies per thousand emails.. Meanwhile you have to waste your time (or money) to decide which is spam and which is a valid contact..Randall J. Berry
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04-24-2003, 10:43 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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If you re-read what I wrote, I said: spammers don't bother ME at all. Sure they may bother other people for the various reasons you posted, but those issues don't bother me at all.
I thank my Lord for all His wonderful blessings.
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04-24-2003, 10:49 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Davros
Spam also put an unnessesary workload on YOUR server!I thank my Lord for all His wonderful blessings.
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04-24-2003, 11:11 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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I love people like hostpath. Oh wait - no I don't.
Can I borrow you finger to click the 85,000 pieces of spam delivered to my server last Friday?
Does your ISP can discount you their connect fees, which have a built in cost of spam? Does you hosting provider? Your backbone?
But then a guy with a website that just says -
I can double your sales.
Free.
Hmmmmm..... yeah.
Chet
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04-24-2003, 11:28 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by chet
I love people like hostpath. Oh wait - no I don't.
Originally posted by chet
Can I borrow you finger to click the 85,000 pieces of spam delivered to my server last Friday?
Originally posted by chet
I can double your sales. Free.
Hmmmmm..... yeah.I thank my Lord for all His wonderful blessings.
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04-25-2003, 03:58 PM #12An Awesome Dude
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04-25-2003, 04:00 PM #13An Awesome Dude
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The bottom line is:
WE PAY FOR ISP SERVICE TO THE NET RIGHT?????
Why should we be bombared with pop ups and spam's,etc......It isnt fair,it isnt right,im sure these idiots who send this s**t out dont get spammed up the a**!!! (I wish i could send some of the crap they send me back to them,but guess what,I CANT,THEY FORGE THINGS)
Why do they forge things?????
Well,lets look the the reason why
1) Well,maybe they wanna be secret and not have ne 1 know who they are.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---OR--- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
2) WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS ILLEGIAL AND THEY DONT WANNA BE CAUGHT/THEY DONT WANNA GET THE BACK SPAM FOR THIER ACTIVITYS........
The Dude
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04-25-2003, 04:51 PM #14Riiiiiiiiiiiiight...
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i dont really care, ive been getting spam for so long it doesnt even phase me anymore. I couldnt imagine an internet without spam. I get tons of crap in my snail mail box, but for some reason thats ok. Anyone with a postal stamp can advertise there product to me....but god forbid someone send an email. Seriously, spam will never end, so it's about you people get over it.
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I place all spammers lowest form of life to me. Lower than pond scum.
The reason they dont get spammed is becasue they never have the balls to use thier own address.. The only way to figure out where it's comming from is to read the headers and the content and add them up.. But unfortunatly a good majority of the net population doesnt know how.
So these meaningless heaps of whale dung continue to bog down the network with their rubbish.. I've got a 3 meg ban list on my personal domain and I don't mind one bit dumping the results into the spam vigilante database on a weekly basis..Randall J. Berry
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04-25-2003, 09:38 PM #16Newbie
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mmmm.. I love what people of slashdot are doing with Alan Ralsky (other famous spammer), sending all kind of spam to its po box.
Maybe this guys need that too.
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04-25-2003, 09:43 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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LOL I read a story about him (I think I'm terible with names) @work.. He had a USPS truck load come to his house.. Not a little willys jeep we're talking a TRUCK! Bags and Bags of junk mail..
Sad part about it is he refuses to give up. He's got is own DC in his basement specially setup for spaming for himself and clients.. Very Sad..Randall J. Berry
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04-25-2003, 10:56 PM #18Web Hosting Master
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The thing is, if spam didn't WORK, the spamming would stop.
I thank my Lord for all His wonderful blessings.
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04-25-2003, 11:47 PM #19Web Hosting Master
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Robbing banks works often enough that people continue to rob banks. Does that make bank robbing okay?
hostpath - people without morals will always try and make money off of other people. I would rather have less money and my morals intact than stoop so low to earn a dollar.
And I don't even think I am earning less, I am simply smarter, I don't need to rely on spam and other people's resources to make my living. If more people had brains and knew how to run a business, there would be less spam. Spam is for the lazy and the dull.
Chet
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My business is over 5 years old. Thus, company email addresses have been in existance for a long time. Over time, spam has increased and increased and increased to a point that my inbox has over 100-200 emails per day, of which, about 25-30 are valid emails. The rest is spam.
It would be a perfect world if somehow, spammers would all choke on a printed list of their junk emails.
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04-26-2003, 12:09 AM #21Web Hosting Master
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I can remember back in the day when reselling and ded servers were not as readily available as they are today, cable modems were not even thought of and DSL was still a pipe dream.. And poor people like me had to resort to ISDN in order to run any reasonable personal server.
Firewalls were not as secure and loopholes were wide open. Mr. Lesko (he was a spammer before he was the Infomercial king!) was just begining to make himself known.. He spam bombed my domain I'm not sure how he did but he brought my Exchange to it knees..
He had his phone number in his email so I called to cuss him out.. He's was acting all sarcastic, aw.. what are you gonna do?? He asked.. Meanwhile I plugged his server in every hole I could find and hammered it.. While I was cussing him out telling him what I would do his server sort of stopped responding.. So I said, Oh.. By the way your server just went down.. I never got spamed from him again
I guess it's been at least 10 years so the Statue of Limitations is over.. If not oh well.. I guess he found out what I could do. He deserved it..Randall J. Berry
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04-27-2003, 04:54 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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Greetings HostSonic:
"My business is over 5 years old. Thus, company email addresses have been in existence for a long time. Over time, spam has increased and increased and increased to a point that my inbox has over 100-200 emails per day, of which, about 25-30 are valid emails. The rest is spam."
We are approaching our 8th year. The other weekend, my wife and I were away Saturday from 9 AM until Sunday around 10 PM.
Between that time frame, my mail box was filled with 2,250 email messages of which 95% were SPAM.
Our accounting department gets SPAM, our sales department gets it, our support, etc.
We set up filtering technology to help our staff; because some where taking 30 minutes to download the stuff (those that have note books that connect to the Network mainly). Then they would have to go through and delete it.
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Greetings Hostpath:
"The thing is, if spam didn't WORK, the spamming would stop."
The hard part for people who SPAM is to ask how many SPAM messages to get what % of action?
And that in the process of sending out the SPAM messages that don't go through (i.e. result in a positive action), how much are they harming their market by targeting those companies like ours that boycott SPAMers?
Or in other words, did they ever ask, "How many people I am offending to get one sale?"
Thank you.