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[i-meals]

First.. I wanna say this is not ment to be a flam war, just something I think I want to say...

Second, I say "were you anti war" because the war is mainly over with and it is time to start rebuilding Iraq...

My friend Justin who is a Marine left Iraq today, called me for the first time in a month. We were talking and I was like yeah I was on a forum where poeple where saying the Iraqi people didnnt want you there, and he was like, "well they are right in some aspects. see they are only showing you that, but forget to tell you those people where still afraid of Saddam, when the marines, rolled in and showed them that we had control, they all thanked us, and cheered. Running aroudn the streates. And one of our missions while we took over cities were to tear down the Saddam pictures and ect. well the funny thing is, is we never really got a chance to because most of the people Iraqi people already began doing it... i remember people coming up to me point to there ear and saying Saddam's police did this to me, or pointin to there skin witch was scared sayign Saddam's police did this, one guy came up with a picture of Saddam and riped it up and spitted on it... so maybe at first they said go home US, but that is cause they were will afraid of saddam, once they knew saddam no longer had control, they showed tehre true feelings, and ran and cheered. i didnt enter one city that we didnt get thank you or waves from, so isaac we were doing a good thing, dont listen to the rest, i was actualy there, they werent"

there you go.. that speaks for its self

[Eric Cartman]

i was opposed to this war and still am and also how the US is dealing with iraq now.
The iraqi population neither wanted Saddam nor the the troops.

Neither was this war about liberating the iraqi people.

[i-meals]

Justin who was there... says they loved the marines being there, knockin saddam out of power.. i personally woudl take a solider who was there opinions before a person who watch MSNBC or w.e news station cause I did the same thing.. i take justin word over yours cause he knows cause he was there

[Eric Cartman]

but i do have to take your word in believing your friend was there....

The troops weren't there to liberate the iraqi people. Ofcourse most of the iraqi people liked it that they got saddam away, but they want the US gone too. They don't want colonisation.

I knew from the minute the war started that the pro war people were going to throw the "you don't care about the iraqi people" in your face.

[i-meals]

Me.. I am not going to throw that at anyone, only the ones who said to me ealier the Iraqi people dont mind Saddam, they are happy.. then yes I rub the fact the Iraqi people are saying we are glad Saddam is gone..

Yes I can undestand them wanting us out now too, cause they want there country back and they want to run it them selves, and that is understandable. But I believe its best to keep troops in there, till the flow begins, and Iraq is doing good.

[Mark_TVI]

Thanks for posting that i-meals.

There are no "Pro-War" people. No one wants war with the exceptions of sadists. There are people that are Pro-Freedom, Pro-Equal Rights, Pro-Security, Pro-Safety among other things. No one wants War especially a Soldier. Ask any Combat Vet if they liked War. The majority will tell you they did what they were trained to do, they did what they had to.

In Iraq I see protests, demonstrations, parades, and a number of other activities. Just a few weeks ago these people would have been tortured and killed for their participation in such events.

People opposed to the liberation of the Iraqi people will always find something *wrong* with the sucesses we see there.
They will said we would lose thousands of men, we didn't.
They said we will destroy the country, we haven't.
They said we will never see an end to the war, we're seeing that now.
They said we won't allow the Iraqi's their own Government, we are.
They said we won't leave, we will.

[Eric Cartman]

(posted this a couple weeks ago, can't be arsed to retype it)

So wait, this isn't about finding WMD? This was all just to selflessly help the people of Iraq? Then why don't you just invade China, which executes thousands of dissidents a year? Why don't you invade North Korea, which is starving their people? Why don't you invade Sierra Leone? Why don't you invade... etc.

If Bush took the 80 billion dollars he spent on the war and used it to fight famine in Africa or immunize the world then he would have saved far, far more people than he saved through O.I.L. (operation iraqi liberation) Where does it end? Why are YOU the arbiters of justice in the world? Why doesn't Europe invade you to stop you from executing people every year? Your argument is an add-on. We're invading Iraq anyway, so we might as well say it's for the good of the people, that way y'all can accuse people opposed to the war of not caring about Iraqi civilians.

[Manga]

I wasn't against or for the war in Iraq. I knew that I could not be against the war and still show support for our troops. I also knew that I could not be for the war since no one seems to have a clear indication of the reason for going to war other than what the press portrays. So, I decided to stay neutral and see how things turned out. Now, people did die, however, that was expected. I think if we all stopped bashing each other and using bad grammar, the world would be an even more peaceful place.

No one will ever know the truth except the governments involved, so its really pointless in trying to prove your points. There's my unbiased view

[case]

Originally posted by Eric Cartman
(posted this a couple weeks ago, can't be arsed to retype it)

So wait, this isn't about finding WMD? This was all just to selflessly help the people of Iraq? Then why don't you just invade China, which executes thousands of dissidents a year? Why don't you invade North Korea, which is starving their people? Why don't you invade Sierra Leone? Why don't you invade... etc.

If Bush took the 80 billion dollars he spent on the war and used it to fight famine in Africa or immunize the world then he would have saved far, far more people than he saved through O.I.L. (operation iraqi liberation) Where does it end? Why are YOU the arbiters of justice in the world? Why doesn't Europe invade you to stop you from executing people every year? Your argument is an add-on. We're invading Iraq anyway, so we might as well say it's for the good of the people, that way y'all can accuse people opposed to the war of not caring about Iraqi civilians.

Perfectly said.....

[RajanUrs]

In the olden days wars The Commander-In-Chief of the Army used to be at the battle front. These days they hog prime time slots on TV.

[Hostkookster]

Well heres an interesting bit of information...

You know the scene where the Iraqi people are tearing down Saddam's statue in Baghdad. The TV camera's are focused squarely on the action. One camera did a zoom out, what looked to be a large mass of people was realy only a couple of Iraqi's and a large group of cameramen and journalists.

I agree the news stations do skew information for whatever purpose - but your friend also only had his perpective on the war as well. These embedded journalists were also there who had only their perspective.

Nobody has the complete story.

In addition to Cartman's post - I totally agree that it wasn't just about WMD's (Which they've found none of yet). It was about bringing stability to the region through force. If you look on a map you'll see that Syria is to the left of Iraq - after that lies Israel, to the right is Iran which is squeezed by pro US Pakistan and US occupied Afghanistan. You can't tell me that Iraq was the target because they wanted to free the people. With over 250,000 troops in Iraq right now the US is in great position to threaten Syria or Iran bth of which are surrounded by US sympathizers.

So - yes the liberated the people, that was the message given to cover up their real political intentions. The US are far from done in Iraq. Anarchy and chaos are now the enemy, and they can do more damage than any bomb can make.

[MDJ2000]

Originally posted by Eric Cartman
They don't want colonisation.

There goes your credibility. Look up the meaning of the word. Argue the oil case all you want, I can accept that arguement, but the colonization crap is moronic.

[Mark_TVI]

Originally posted by Eric Cartman
(posted this a couple weeks ago, can't be arsed to retype it)

So wait, this isn't about finding WMD? This was all just to selflessly help the people of Iraq? Then why don't you just invade China, which executes thousands of dissidents a year? Why don't you invade North Korea, which is starving their people? Why don't you invade Sierra Leone? Why don't you invade... etc.

If Bush took the 80 billion dollars he spent on the war and used it to fight famine in Africa or immunize the world then he would have saved far, far more people than he saved through O.I.L. (operation iraqi liberation) Where does it end? Why are YOU the arbiters of justice in the world? Why doesn't Europe invade you to stop you from executing people every year? Your argument is an add-on. We're invading Iraq anyway, so we might as well say it's for the good of the people, that way y'all can accuse people opposed to the war of not caring about Iraqi civilians.

My comments were directed at Anti/Pro war titles given to people. They are ridiculous.
The comments on Iraq were current events and I did not state anything about the reason for this Operation, the costs or anything else.

You're welcome to go off on a tangent though...

[Manga]

You guys are still arguing about this ..?

[i-meals]

you know what i find extremly funny...

people are saying oh i saw on the news, you know the news will only show there sides.. only video tape and show what they want you to see.. i actauly talked to a real solider who was there... he told me some sad stories... to say he is lieing and the news is right is simply dumb...